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[–] 79 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Protectionists complain about Chinese market dominance, yet Chinese companies are the only ones entering the DRAM market in response to the dramatic increase in demand.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It is way too late to be starting a new chip fab for it to be relevant to the current market. If they are producing reliable chips 5 years from now that'll be fast.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    China speed will kick in and it will be next year they will own the market.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Not likely. It doesn't matter how much slave labor you throw at it, getting a new fabrication machine to the necessary precision to make modern chips requires a lot of time.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I mean making the machines to make chips and making a factory that uses said machines are two different things.

    There are already factories in China making DDR5 and DDR4 ram now days.

    Huawei would just provide the support and resources needed to scale up a new large factory.

    No slave labor needed. All you need is a modern, advanced, high skill, responsive industrial base which China has.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I mean making the machines to make chips and making a factory that uses said machines are two different things.

    True.

    There are already factories in China making DDR5 and DDR4 ram now days.

    Are they actually fabricating the silicon, or just packaging it?

    No slave labor needed. All you need is a modern, advanced, high skill, responsive industrial base which China has.

    Sure, like the people working at Foxconn:

    https://truthout.org/articles/a-suicide-survivor-the-life-of-a-chinese-migrant-worker-at-foxconn/

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    They are making it from scratch. There are lots of sources but this is the first one I found. I assume they package it as well.

    https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/ddr5/chinese-memory-maker-cxmt-enters-the-mainstream-consumer-memory-with-corsair-vengeance-ddr5-kit-chinese-made-dram-emerges-as-an-antidote-for-crushing-shortages

    Foxcom assembles sub models into complete products. Still higher than slave labor level skills, but not as high as chip fabrication I admit. You need a skill base to assemble phones at a high level.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    I brought up last time that if RAM prices keep going up and up, it makes more economic sense to make more factories/facilities.

    Theres always those people who say that it doesn't make sense to make new facilities, but I really dont see chip shortages to stop. With climate change being a thing and supply chain issues popping up more and more, I just dont see an end within the next 10 years. Makes more sense to bring some of that in house.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago

    I wouldn't enter a cartel-protected market either if I had to finance that myself. If I had a captive bloc-sized market at home though...
    China is big. There are a lot of customers there. And the government tends to plan long-term and is heavily subsidizing chip making tech for geopolitical reasons. Entering the western market is high-risk. Entering the Chinese market as a Chinese company and then also selling outside China after scaling up is low-risk.

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  • There's a reason. US is buying all memory fab capacity to deprive other countries, including China, from having access to RAM. The RAM companies, taking advantage of this situation and colluding, are raising prices and limiting production to create false scarcity. Unfortunately this means the average American has to pay arm and a leg for even small amounts of memory and storage.

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