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[-] saltesc@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is non sequitur.

"Bad thing happens under system X, therefore system X is uniquely responsible/bad."

No. We have an entire history to refer to where these things also happen under socialism, communism, feudalism, fascism, theocratic states, monarchies, juntas, etc. It's also ballsy to try make the claim, because if there is significant relation between systemic ideologies and these symptoms, rather than a more anthropological one, then socialist or communist states are the historical leader with Stalin, Mao's China, East Germany, NK's juche, etc. But only a moron would neglect the actual causes, generally concentrated and unaccountable power(s). Socialism and capitalism are just optional toppings. It's like saying "the pizza is burned because you chose anchovies and not pineapple".

And that kind of this vs that leads into what's really going on here, one of the internet's favourite passtimes; tribalism. Pick a team, learn enough about the game to follow what's going on, go to war with whatever rivals your new peers tell you too, scream nonsensical things from the armchair. So an identity-protective cognition ends up with a post lacking comparison and history, for a conclusion OP's in-group is committed to. I e. such a post does nothing for outreach to non-socialist thinkers, even though OP thinks they're provoking thoughts. Ironically, only someone inflicted by this wouldn't be able to see it.

[-] valar@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The OP is a counter argument to the non sequitur viewpoint. Right wingers love to say socialism is bad because it will bring these things. OP is saying, we have those anyway, so it's not a good argument against socialism.

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