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[-] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Elections are useful when used as an agitational tool to activate more of the population. The problem is when electoralism is the end goal.

It is ok for us to push for reforms on the way to revolution. To cohere a larger movement we need to not only prove ourselves as socialists who can improve your life materially, but also we need to uplift those who are worst off so they are able to join our movement in the first place.

I believe in using everything at our disposal to do the necessary organizing, agitating, and educating on the path to fomenting revolutionary sentiment, but will fight subordinating the movement to milquetoast reformists who's end goal is nicer capitalism, not the wholesale dissolution of it the world over.

Our movement is still frustratingly in its infancy. The material conditions for revolution are building but are still not here. We need to keep agitating this line - people are waking up. They hear what we have to say and they agree. Organizing works but it takes time and a strategy of patience. If we do not meet people where they are at and engage in the structures they trust, even when we do not, we are simply ceding ground to those who would poison them against us.

We aren't gonna vote our way out of facism but we sure as hell can use those votes to agitate for why voting will never be enough.

Edit: one other thing to add here is we should not be striving to build a movement predicated around voting. Voting is the least impactful way to be involved in politics. What we should be building is a movement of average people, the workers who make this country run, who have an active say and care about how the country operates top to bottom. We want people to care about how things work and get done. We want them get involved in areas they care about and making their voices heard with suggestions and concerns. We want a truly involved population of people engaging in democracy - not just by voting but by having a hand on the wheel that steers not only their country but by extension their lives. We are building a movement not of better voters but of leaders who can champion the world we all deserve.

[-] picklerick@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

democracy as a whole is merely a farce to make worker class feel like they are doing something

[-] PotatoPie@lemmy.zip 4 points 21 hours ago

Is it ok if we riot and burn down cop cars before while and after elections, if you want to find out you'll end up in fascism or not you just have to consider if you're ok with violence as a higher priority solution against it, if the riots get in the way of the election you have to realize they're more effective against fascism and resisting, stopping sometimes even joining the criticism on them is paramount to stripping and handcuffing yourself to prove to your kidnapper you're not deserving of punishment

[-] antifa_ceo@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

Organizing mass protests or strikes like you are describing is downstream of the strategic agitation and education i am advocating for. You can't just manifest these forms of direct action - you have to do the work to build the material conditions for them to happen.

[-] PotatoPie@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago

I don't know how to take this, where i live bringing topic of anti government or protesting or complaining about living standards does not take building material conditions for

What are these material conditions, suffering? Do you guys riot and protest out of choice instead of out of need?

I'm not trying to be dishonest here, where i live if you signal someone to pick you up and you just say the word police to them i don't know who they are they'll pick you up and take you right to your home free of charge, i genuinely do not comprehend the need for some conditions or setup to resist, living is the conditions for it

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 6 points 18 hours ago

mexico proved this is true and now they have shienbaum, while our criticism gave us harris and trump

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