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What do you know about the Red Nation Podcast? Are they ML? Are they good? (thelemmy.club)
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[+] -15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (9 children)

Notice anything funny about the channels icon and banner? It looks like someone tried to shove as many Fascist/Nazi symbols into one spot as possible, but also obscure their nature as well, sort of crypto fascists style. So even before looking any deeper I already don't trust anything about it. The lightning bolt (and the wing looks like another), the sort of "black sun" jagged triangles on the left, the iron crosses, the rain clouds (IE stormfront), even the flowers (anarchist rose), and rainbow (CIA uses minority rights as an excuse to invade), and finally the bird (like the use of the eagle), makes me think there is no way it is accidental.

Edit: I don't actually know anything about the group, I only didn't want to engage in the liberalism of saying nothing when noticing something suspicious, I'd been re reading Combat Liberalism recently and I've been worried it was something I'd be doing

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    the liberalism to avoid engaging with in this context would be speaking about something without doing any investigation.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I thought I was avoiding that by focusing on just the icon and banner, but I realize now that I may have been ingauging in another form of liberalism by trying to treat the icon and banner in isolation in the first place, as things only make sense within the context of how they interrelate with other things, not taken in isolation.

    Thank you for your criticism, I will try to learn from this.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    You are committing the fault that Mao also rallies against in Oppose Book Worship. Stop applying various analysis in the works you read as gospel. Every situation requires a pragmatic approach reliant upon the context of the situation. If you become paranoid about needing to “avoid liberalism”, to the extreme, every problem becomes a nail because you’ve only given yourself one tool.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    I am not aware of how I am treating it like gospel (perhaps because my childhood trauma had to do with religion and set me like a fire against it, I don't understand "gospel" in the first place), my fears and paranoia are not related to Theory in that way, thanks to the conditions of my mental health and trauma and life difficulties and so on, all before I ever read anything, so that error had more to do with my fear and paranoia mental patterns popping up and taking over without me realizing I was, and so became primary and attempts to make sure I wasn't messing up in some way by remember Theory I've read, secondary, other comments were more helpful.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I think you're reaching a lot there. Many of the things you described are nature symbols and indigenous tend to be close to / have respect for nature.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Maybe, sometimes my paranoia can get the best of me, so I must remain careful of that about myself, even so, every time I look at that symbol my "fight or flight" response goes crazy, sometimes ones instincts protects oneself, sometimes it gets in the way.

    Edit: I think I figured something out about it, rather than it being the use of fascist symbols it might be the other way around, that fascists are co opting nature symbols as a part of their reactionary thinking, as reactionary thinking is that which is in support of going backwards, of stopping the new thing, that they would cling to old symbolism, but Native Americans are still behind the oppressive wall of colonialism in the US, so what is reactionary for a fascist, may actually be progressive for a Native American.

    I haven't read much about US colonialism and Native Americans yet (the result of my bad coping mechanism that makes me want to run away from horrors close to home, and preference to learn about nicer things far away, like China), or else I might have known sooner.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    There's no fascist symbolism here, the stars on the outside represent the sky/heavens, and the big ring seems to represent the water cycle, sunlight, rainbows, rain, then rain going into rivers (and then the sunlight bringing water back up to make it rain again). And the bird in the middle is a Thunderbird, it's a lot of Indigenous American symbolism, which makes sense, since those are the people who run the podcast.

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