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[+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (18 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] Mondez@lemdro.id 24 points 3 months ago (9 children) One day an AI might be, it won't be an LLM though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) One day an AI might be, it won't be an LLM though. I’m no expert, but I feel like that’s akin to saying a human may be intelligent, but it won’t be Broca’s area of the brain. I would think a true AGI would involve a lot of different neural networks doing different things. And an LLM could end up being a useful component of allowing it to communicate. Though who knows how the model would need to change if its language prompts are inputs from other neural nets. And I have to imagine at this point major AI models aren’t just LLMs, that’s just the part we interface with. Again, I’m very far from an expert. What I do know is that the current MASSIVE push with the technology* we have now is causing more harm than it’s worth. *edit: typo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mondez@lemdro.id 15 points 3 months ago Brocas area on its own isn't intelligent and strapping a bunch of Brocas areas together won't get you there either. Most of the frontier models as far as I'm aware are basically a bunch of differently trained LLMs strapped together and even then there have only been incremental improvements to their performance, no new functionality has really emerged from doing that. LLM investment is IMO a dead end hype train and will require breakthroughs in other techniques of machine learning to put together something we would recognise as truly intelligent. I'll concede the possibility that LLM like functionality may be a portion of that but equally it may not be. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] rozodru@piefed.world 5 points 3 months ago (5 children) well it's true. if you don't get an hallucination or a false positive solution on your first attempt with any LLM you should go play the lottery. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mondez@lemdro.id 6 points 3 months ago Better technology won't make LLM techniques break out of their limitations, we are already throwing massive compute at it for marginal returns. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rozodru@piefed.world 5 points 3 months ago (2 children) it's GIGO though. the ONLY way an LLM can improve is if it can consume "healthy food" and currently, and for awhile now, has been gorging on literal human and other LLMs waste. and humans have been willingly providing it a plate of literal shit to feast on. They need honest and reliable data, they're not getting it and you can be as optimistic as you want but they'll never get it. Unless someone is magically able to change the opinions of 100% of the populace we will continue to feed it shit and watch it poison itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago So same as humans then? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 months ago (4 children) It might be a million times faster, but not smarter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago (1 child) a human It's a million times smarter than a specific human, Musk's pedo buddy Donald Trump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago Yeah ok, there surely are exceptions :-) permalink fedilink source parent [+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 months ago People also overestimate AI. Mostly those who do not understand it or are generally technically challenged. No offence meant. As there currently is no "I" in the "AI". It sure has many great applications, but also a shitton that will be vastly destructive to many things we like and love. permalink fedilink source parent [–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) Depends how you define smart. Can it answer any kind of encycclopedic question within seconds? Yes! Can it adapt and change to a dynamic environment? Not really! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago That’s not being smart? That’s having good memory recall. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mondez@lemdro.id 24 points 3 months ago (9 children) One day an AI might be, it won't be an LLM though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) One day an AI might be, it won't be an LLM though. I’m no expert, but I feel like that’s akin to saying a human may be intelligent, but it won’t be Broca’s area of the brain. I would think a true AGI would involve a lot of different neural networks doing different things. And an LLM could end up being a useful component of allowing it to communicate. Though who knows how the model would need to change if its language prompts are inputs from other neural nets. And I have to imagine at this point major AI models aren’t just LLMs, that’s just the part we interface with. Again, I’m very far from an expert. What I do know is that the current MASSIVE push with the technology* we have now is causing more harm than it’s worth. *edit: typo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mondez@lemdro.id 15 points 3 months ago Brocas area on its own isn't intelligent and strapping a bunch of Brocas areas together won't get you there either. Most of the frontier models as far as I'm aware are basically a bunch of differently trained LLMs strapped together and even then there have only been incremental improvements to their performance, no new functionality has really emerged from doing that. LLM investment is IMO a dead end hype train and will require breakthroughs in other techniques of machine learning to put together something we would recognise as truly intelligent. I'll concede the possibility that LLM like functionality may be a portion of that but equally it may not be. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] rozodru@piefed.world 5 points 3 months ago (5 children) well it's true. if you don't get an hallucination or a false positive solution on your first attempt with any LLM you should go play the lottery. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mondez@lemdro.id 6 points 3 months ago Better technology won't make LLM techniques break out of their limitations, we are already throwing massive compute at it for marginal returns. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rozodru@piefed.world 5 points 3 months ago (2 children) it's GIGO though. the ONLY way an LLM can improve is if it can consume "healthy food" and currently, and for awhile now, has been gorging on literal human and other LLMs waste. and humans have been willingly providing it a plate of literal shit to feast on. They need honest and reliable data, they're not getting it and you can be as optimistic as you want but they'll never get it. Unless someone is magically able to change the opinions of 100% of the populace we will continue to feed it shit and watch it poison itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago So same as humans then? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) One day an AI might be, it won't be an LLM though. I’m no expert, but I feel like that’s akin to saying a human may be intelligent, but it won’t be Broca’s area of the brain. I would think a true AGI would involve a lot of different neural networks doing different things. And an LLM could end up being a useful component of allowing it to communicate. Though who knows how the model would need to change if its language prompts are inputs from other neural nets. And I have to imagine at this point major AI models aren’t just LLMs, that’s just the part we interface with. Again, I’m very far from an expert. What I do know is that the current MASSIVE push with the technology* we have now is causing more harm than it’s worth. *edit: typo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Mondez@lemdro.id 15 points 3 months ago Brocas area on its own isn't intelligent and strapping a bunch of Brocas areas together won't get you there either. Most of the frontier models as far as I'm aware are basically a bunch of differently trained LLMs strapped together and even then there have only been incremental improvements to their performance, no new functionality has really emerged from doing that. LLM investment is IMO a dead end hype train and will require breakthroughs in other techniques of machine learning to put together something we would recognise as truly intelligent. I'll concede the possibility that LLM like functionality may be a portion of that but equally it may not be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mondez@lemdro.id 15 points 3 months ago Brocas area on its own isn't intelligent and strapping a bunch of Brocas areas together won't get you there either. Most of the frontier models as far as I'm aware are basically a bunch of differently trained LLMs strapped together and even then there have only been incremental improvements to their performance, no new functionality has really emerged from doing that. LLM investment is IMO a dead end hype train and will require breakthroughs in other techniques of machine learning to put together something we would recognise as truly intelligent. I'll concede the possibility that LLM like functionality may be a portion of that but equally it may not be. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] rozodru@piefed.world 5 points 3 months ago (5 children) well it's true. if you don't get an hallucination or a false positive solution on your first attempt with any LLM you should go play the lottery. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mondez@lemdro.id 6 points 3 months ago Better technology won't make LLM techniques break out of their limitations, we are already throwing massive compute at it for marginal returns. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rozodru@piefed.world 5 points 3 months ago (2 children) it's GIGO though. the ONLY way an LLM can improve is if it can consume "healthy food" and currently, and for awhile now, has been gorging on literal human and other LLMs waste. and humans have been willingly providing it a plate of literal shit to feast on. They need honest and reliable data, they're not getting it and you can be as optimistic as you want but they'll never get it. Unless someone is magically able to change the opinions of 100% of the populace we will continue to feed it shit and watch it poison itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago So same as humans then? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rozodru@piefed.world 5 points 3 months ago (5 children) well it's true. if you don't get an hallucination or a false positive solution on your first attempt with any LLM you should go play the lottery. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mondez@lemdro.id 6 points 3 months ago Better technology won't make LLM techniques break out of their limitations, we are already throwing massive compute at it for marginal returns. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rozodru@piefed.world 5 points 3 months ago (2 children) it's GIGO though. the ONLY way an LLM can improve is if it can consume "healthy food" and currently, and for awhile now, has been gorging on literal human and other LLMs waste. and humans have been willingly providing it a plate of literal shit to feast on. They need honest and reliable data, they're not getting it and you can be as optimistic as you want but they'll never get it. Unless someone is magically able to change the opinions of 100% of the populace we will continue to feed it shit and watch it poison itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago So same as humans then? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Mondez@lemdro.id 6 points 3 months ago Better technology won't make LLM techniques break out of their limitations, we are already throwing massive compute at it for marginal returns. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rozodru@piefed.world 5 points 3 months ago (2 children) it's GIGO though. the ONLY way an LLM can improve is if it can consume "healthy food" and currently, and for awhile now, has been gorging on literal human and other LLMs waste. and humans have been willingly providing it a plate of literal shit to feast on. They need honest and reliable data, they're not getting it and you can be as optimistic as you want but they'll never get it. Unless someone is magically able to change the opinions of 100% of the populace we will continue to feed it shit and watch it poison itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago So same as humans then? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mondez@lemdro.id 6 points 3 months ago Better technology won't make LLM techniques break out of their limitations, we are already throwing massive compute at it for marginal returns. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rozodru@piefed.world 5 points 3 months ago (2 children) it's GIGO though. the ONLY way an LLM can improve is if it can consume "healthy food" and currently, and for awhile now, has been gorging on literal human and other LLMs waste. and humans have been willingly providing it a plate of literal shit to feast on. They need honest and reliable data, they're not getting it and you can be as optimistic as you want but they'll never get it. Unless someone is magically able to change the opinions of 100% of the populace we will continue to feed it shit and watch it poison itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago So same as humans then? permalink fedilink source parent [+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago So same as humans then? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 months ago (4 children) It might be a million times faster, but not smarter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago (1 child) a human It's a million times smarter than a specific human, Musk's pedo buddy Donald Trump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago Yeah ok, there surely are exceptions :-) permalink fedilink source parent [+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 months ago People also overestimate AI. Mostly those who do not understand it or are generally technically challenged. No offence meant. As there currently is no "I" in the "AI". It sure has many great applications, but also a shitton that will be vastly destructive to many things we like and love. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago (1 child) a human It's a million times smarter than a specific human, Musk's pedo buddy Donald Trump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago Yeah ok, there surely are exceptions :-) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago Yeah ok, there surely are exceptions :-) permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 months ago People also overestimate AI. Mostly those who do not understand it or are generally technically challenged. No offence meant. As there currently is no "I" in the "AI". It sure has many great applications, but also a shitton that will be vastly destructive to many things we like and love. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 months ago People also overestimate AI. Mostly those who do not understand it or are generally technically challenged. No offence meant. As there currently is no "I" in the "AI". It sure has many great applications, but also a shitton that will be vastly destructive to many things we like and love. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) Depends how you define smart. Can it answer any kind of encycclopedic question within seconds? Yes! Can it adapt and change to a dynamic environment? Not really! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago That’s not being smart? That’s having good memory recall. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago That’s not being smart? That’s having good memory recall. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world -5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent