Gorgritch_umie_killa comments on “The only acceptable religion is my religion”

[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Don't miss your trains on account of writing that. It wasn't worth it. This prick on the web isn't worth that.

bring up oligarchs or other dumb shit when I criticise Christians/Jews/Hinduism/Astrology/

No I'm sure I would, but you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about one in particular. I don't really come across your commentary of the others. Which is, notable. I actually just upvoted your astrology comment somewhere else in this thread.

Yes mate it was the oligarch's🙄

Sure, this is me testing theories. I hope I'm wrong, but you give me no reason to believe your disturbing lack of nuance towards a whole group of people in this world isn't influenced, as so many (including me) are, by these well funded and ongoing campaigns of division.

quite frankly insulting

I try to be reasonable in my arguments, but sometimes the truth hurts...

Ooh! Thats almost as fun a line as yours from before!

because it gives you uncomfortable feelings (about a quarter of the world)👍

I've never said all Australians think like me, they definitely don't, and thats not due to some zero sum framework about dumbness/smartness. Those aren't terms I think in, which I might be part of the divide.

Thats why I rarely push back on your survey evidence of Australian thoughts. It usually tracks. I criticise your motivations. I try to get you to ask yourself if this crusade is actually good for,

You
Your Nation
World Peace, (which is good for you and your nation).

Promoting hate and division, especially of a huge and such highly varied group to an extent to be almost meaningless, such as 'islam' is the very backwards thinking you accuse them of.

Think back to Pauline's speech last week, 'monocultural', is exactly opposite to what is great about this country and backwards as shit. She would certainly be in the red on your chart. The Islamic faiths and the individual people associated with it are as varied as they are many.

No group is made up of only good people, atheists are not some amazing advancement of humanity it does nongood for atheists to think they're better than anyone else. And theres no such thing as a good people and bad people, thats almost a religious dogma. We're good and shit to more or lesser degrees at different points in our own lives, thats it.

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone [S] 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

No I’m sure I would, but you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about one in particular

Not really, it's just the easiest to pick on because it's the worst of the bunch, a dreadfully evil religion, btw every time you say you can't stereotype lots of people please insert Nazi's into your argument, eg.

The Islamic faiths and the individual people associated with it are as varied as they are many.

The Nazi faiths and the individual people associated with it are as varied as they are many.

Some Nazi's want to exterminate the jews, some just like Hitlers post war infrastructure projects and some just like a strong sense of national pride, so many varied views, I'm sure if you had a suburb with thousands of them you'd get a wide variety of views and that's what makes Australia great 😅

Think back to Pauline’s speech last week, ‘monocultural’, is exactly opposite to what is great about this country and backwards as shit. She would certainly be in the red on your chart.

Yes but what does this have to do with Islam? I think you've taken a leap of faith :D that I'm not taking

Promoting hate and division, especially of a huge and such highly varied group to an extent to be almost meaningless, such as ‘islam’ is the very backwards thinking you accuse them of.

There is no level of Islam that I tolerate, I detest it, from page ... 2 (tbf page 1 has 7 simple sentences)

As for those who disbelieve—it is the same for them, whether you have warned them, or have not warned them—they do not believe.

God has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. They will have a severe torment.

https://clearquran.com/002.html

I'm sure this won't inspire a million acts of severe torment, only positive things can come from this I assume 👎

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[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Back to the Nazi's again. Every time you think Nazis is a good argument, look in the mirror. They persecute whole groups of people simply for being part of that group.

You have it arse about backwards with this Nazi example. Its an embarrassing argument for you.

I'm no fan of any of those people who went in for that shit, but I'm no fan because they persecuted whole groups of people simply for being a part of that group.... exactly what you do with Islamic people, and sounds like other groups as well. Hence why I call you on this.

Quote a book all you want, I hear the Nazi's liked to refer to a certain 'story' as well. Doesn't take away from the exact same moral failure you demonstrate every single time you judge billions of people to be detestable because, sOme worDs in a bOoK.

Judge people by their moral fibre and character, not by whatever books or other paraphernalia is in their orbit or faith. By judging others by not seeing them as our fellow humans is about as Nazi as it gets, whether the brown shirt is there or not.

You well know enough to know it wasn't 'who' the Nazi's persecuted. Any group butchered, tortured, demeaned and murdered will be as bad, no matter who does it to who. It wasn't an especially bad act because they were Jewish or Roma, or Gay. It was the 'what, how and why' that was the outrageous act. It was the camps, the rounding up of whole and innocent peoples, the murder, torture and slavery of their captives. Its not who, its what, how and why.

Think about the people in Auschwitz, what was the common characteristic, Bread Thieves? Soldiers? Loiterers? Bus Drivers? No. Jews, Roma, any group as varied as they were many (my line) that the Nazi's decided were "detestable"...(your line).

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[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone [S] 0 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

Think about the people in Auschwitz, what was the common characteristic, Bread Thieves? Soldiers? Loiterers? Bus Drivers? No. Jews, Roma, any group as varied as they were many (my line) that the Nazi’s decided were “detestable”…(your line).

This is going to deep into Nazism and is moving away from it being a metaphor, the Nazi detestables was built upon lies and random tests of purity, what I'm saying is based upon the literal book they advocate for and for a significant amount of them the beliefs they share.

But since we're getting too far away from what I'm saying and too much into ww2 history tell me which evil organisation you want to replace the Nazi's with?

Here are some random examples that you won't notice a pattern with: 😜

ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and Syria / ISIL / Daesh)
Al-Qaeda
Taliban
Boko Haram
Al-Shabaab
Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT)
Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM)
Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS)
Abu Sayyaf Group
Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)

I am also not advocating for any sort of punishment or death, I'm simply saying we should not be importing people from the 90% into a country that believes the opposite 90%, it's a fundamental incompatibility that most Australians seem to be able to grasp that you can't for some reason.

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[–] Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone 2 points 2 months ago

There you go with the book again. Now you've said you've problems with all religions, so, like me, I'm guessing you're atheist, if I'm wrong, cool, it doesn't matter for the point. I've got God is Not Great, C.Hitchens on my bookshelf, I've also got a little Dawkins. Interesting the pair of 'em, but I would not like to be judged by what they say, even though I share their same disbelief. Point is, a book can only ever be an approximation of the individual in front of you.

You conveniently missed the IDF in that little list, what about the RSF? Don't get a mention? I don't have to choose some scary group to replace the Nazi's. There always seems to be someone else stepping up to that particular base to merrily bat away others lives.

But you'll only recognise that if you understand the problem with the Nazi's was 'what, how, and why', not 'who'. As I said in the last comment.

going to deep into Nazism

Surely you're joking. This isn't deep at all. Its surface level.

Nazis bad. Why? Because they discriminated against people simply because of the groups they came from. Once they had those people captive they did a lot more than discrimination. Its not complicated.

The discrimination part is what you've done with Muslims. Of course, I know that you're not advocating anything else, but others do, and the general vitriol against a group gives carte blanche to those that would do more. Nazi germany is a great example of this happening in the most horrifying way, but far from the only example. Partition of India is another example, White Australia policy and the Dreyfus Affair are others.

There'd be "fundamental incompatibilities" with only a white Australia, or Christian, or whatever other segmentation you'd like to choose. Overcoming and moving forward with our fundamental incompatibilities is why we have a democracy (flawed as it is) and a somewhat reliable rule of law, and why people who move here value those two so highly.

Theres always another person for people to hate on if they're looking for a reason. And theres always a reason to be found. Trick is, learning to not hate on people. The default mental framework is to have an 'other', but its a much more comfortable life to accept todays differences and work for better tomorrow. For example, I have this problem with anti-vaxxers.

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