▲ 400 ▼ Low-skilled attacker used Claude, Codex to breach 14 companies (www.helpnetsecurity.com) submitted 3 months ago by sanitation@lemmy.today to c/technology@lemmy.world 84 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Damage@feddit.it 26 points 3 months ago (9 children) Pentesters have access to LLMs too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] Mika@piefed.ca 37 points 3 months ago some hacker unleashes malicious AIs to the internet, breaking it apart cause AI keeps finding vulnerabilities in everything and break things faster than humans can fix corporates build corporate internet and the blackwall, which is AI to fight malicious AIs Gooooood morning Night City! permalink fedilink source parent [–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago* (6 children) Yeah, but an LLM's arms race isn't "doing the bare minimum in security", which is what the poster before was saying. This is a genuine concern, where whoever has access to the best/most recent/most expensive models can unleash chaos - I'm talking state-sponsored attacks, mega-corp espionage, bored billionaires,... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago (5 children) The people you listed were already doing this. The problem is Darrell, the guy who thinks Earth is flat, can also do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) Meh. When you're expecting to have to defend against an army battalion, how much of a thread is Darrell the flat-earther and his AR-15? Because if Darrell is doing damage, you've been conquered and didn't even noticed. Edit: in case you're not following the thread and feel an urge in your loins to come defend Darrell, do note that I'm not disparaging the issues a dimwit with AI can cause. I'm pointing out that other players will have even larger sticks than your friend Darrell. Case in point, Darrell will not have Claude Fable. Others will. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) With AI as the army battalion, Darrell becomes a general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Sure, in a world where the big boys have Death Stars. permalink fedilink source parent [–] minfapper@piefed.social 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) In this analogy Darrell fires an ICBM, because everyone has access to a ton of those for $20/mo. The overall point is that doing (what used to be) the bare minimum is no longer even close to enough. To be considered adequate, you need super ironclad defense, because even low skilled attackers have access to very powerful weapons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago You said so yourself, everyone has a ton of those. Darrell is firing an ICBM at a place that is being hit with hypersonic hydrogen bombs all the time. Either he's hitting rubble, or a damn impressive defense that he's unlikely to break. permalink fedilink source parent [–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago It’s easier to destroy a house than to build it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mika@piefed.ca 37 points 3 months ago some hacker unleashes malicious AIs to the internet, breaking it apart cause AI keeps finding vulnerabilities in everything and break things faster than humans can fix corporates build corporate internet and the blackwall, which is AI to fight malicious AIs Gooooood morning Night City! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago* (6 children) Yeah, but an LLM's arms race isn't "doing the bare minimum in security", which is what the poster before was saying. This is a genuine concern, where whoever has access to the best/most recent/most expensive models can unleash chaos - I'm talking state-sponsored attacks, mega-corp espionage, bored billionaires,... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago (5 children) The people you listed were already doing this. The problem is Darrell, the guy who thinks Earth is flat, can also do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) Meh. When you're expecting to have to defend against an army battalion, how much of a thread is Darrell the flat-earther and his AR-15? Because if Darrell is doing damage, you've been conquered and didn't even noticed. Edit: in case you're not following the thread and feel an urge in your loins to come defend Darrell, do note that I'm not disparaging the issues a dimwit with AI can cause. I'm pointing out that other players will have even larger sticks than your friend Darrell. Case in point, Darrell will not have Claude Fable. Others will. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) With AI as the army battalion, Darrell becomes a general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Sure, in a world where the big boys have Death Stars. permalink fedilink source parent [–] minfapper@piefed.social 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) In this analogy Darrell fires an ICBM, because everyone has access to a ton of those for $20/mo. The overall point is that doing (what used to be) the bare minimum is no longer even close to enough. To be considered adequate, you need super ironclad defense, because even low skilled attackers have access to very powerful weapons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago You said so yourself, everyone has a ton of those. Darrell is firing an ICBM at a place that is being hit with hypersonic hydrogen bombs all the time. Either he's hitting rubble, or a damn impressive defense that he's unlikely to break. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago (5 children) The people you listed were already doing this. The problem is Darrell, the guy who thinks Earth is flat, can also do this. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) Meh. When you're expecting to have to defend against an army battalion, how much of a thread is Darrell the flat-earther and his AR-15? Because if Darrell is doing damage, you've been conquered and didn't even noticed. Edit: in case you're not following the thread and feel an urge in your loins to come defend Darrell, do note that I'm not disparaging the issues a dimwit with AI can cause. I'm pointing out that other players will have even larger sticks than your friend Darrell. Case in point, Darrell will not have Claude Fable. Others will. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) With AI as the army battalion, Darrell becomes a general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Sure, in a world where the big boys have Death Stars. permalink fedilink source parent [–] minfapper@piefed.social 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) In this analogy Darrell fires an ICBM, because everyone has access to a ton of those for $20/mo. The overall point is that doing (what used to be) the bare minimum is no longer even close to enough. To be considered adequate, you need super ironclad defense, because even low skilled attackers have access to very powerful weapons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago You said so yourself, everyone has a ton of those. Darrell is firing an ICBM at a place that is being hit with hypersonic hydrogen bombs all the time. Either he's hitting rubble, or a damn impressive defense that he's unlikely to break. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children) Meh. When you're expecting to have to defend against an army battalion, how much of a thread is Darrell the flat-earther and his AR-15? Because if Darrell is doing damage, you've been conquered and didn't even noticed. Edit: in case you're not following the thread and feel an urge in your loins to come defend Darrell, do note that I'm not disparaging the issues a dimwit with AI can cause. I'm pointing out that other players will have even larger sticks than your friend Darrell. Case in point, Darrell will not have Claude Fable. Others will. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) With AI as the army battalion, Darrell becomes a general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Sure, in a world where the big boys have Death Stars. permalink fedilink source parent [–] minfapper@piefed.social 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) In this analogy Darrell fires an ICBM, because everyone has access to a ton of those for $20/mo. The overall point is that doing (what used to be) the bare minimum is no longer even close to enough. To be considered adequate, you need super ironclad defense, because even low skilled attackers have access to very powerful weapons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago You said so yourself, everyone has a ton of those. Darrell is firing an ICBM at a place that is being hit with hypersonic hydrogen bombs all the time. Either he's hitting rubble, or a damn impressive defense that he's unlikely to break. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago (1 child) With AI as the army battalion, Darrell becomes a general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Sure, in a world where the big boys have Death Stars. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago Sure, in a world where the big boys have Death Stars. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] minfapper@piefed.social 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) In this analogy Darrell fires an ICBM, because everyone has access to a ton of those for $20/mo. The overall point is that doing (what used to be) the bare minimum is no longer even close to enough. To be considered adequate, you need super ironclad defense, because even low skilled attackers have access to very powerful weapons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago You said so yourself, everyone has a ton of those. Darrell is firing an ICBM at a place that is being hit with hypersonic hydrogen bombs all the time. Either he's hitting rubble, or a damn impressive defense that he's unlikely to break. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago You said so yourself, everyone has a ton of those. Darrell is firing an ICBM at a place that is being hit with hypersonic hydrogen bombs all the time. Either he's hitting rubble, or a damn impressive defense that he's unlikely to break. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 months ago It’s easier to destroy a house than to build it. permalink fedilink source parent