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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 months ago (8 children) Nobody should have to pay for food ever. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (7 children) Absolutely agreed, but steaks? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] jonesey71@lemmus.org 10 points 2 months ago* (6 children) If you think the rich should be able to choose how the poor eat I would counter that the poor should choose whether the rich eat at all. Do you think people born to a higher position deserve a better quality of food based on their birthright? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago I think nobody deserves steak. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago* Not the OC. I think the point there is we should all be eating less steak, but I get what you're saying. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jako302@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago Food should absolutely be a human right, but what you receive should be based on survival needs and sustainability. I don't mean bread an water but rather a broad selection of staple goods that results in a varied diet with the ability to choose for yourself what you eat. Steak, and most other meat products, shouldn't be part of the basic selection, they are luxury products without a sustainable way to produce in large enough quantities. The equivalent is that free public transport wouldn't include flights since that simply isn't viable at the moment. Whether luxury goods that slowly kill the planet should be available at all is a different question entirely that can't be solved in our current geopolitical system. There are ways to address this but it would require a complete global restructuring that goes way beyond what food as a human right would require. permalink fedilink source parent [–] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) Do you think people born to a higher position deserve a better quality of food based on their birthright? If you go down that path, why not give cows the birthright to live? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) Because the deer that the wolf kills to eat it doesn't give the deer a right to live. We're animals too. We just happen to be better and more efficient at killing our prey. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plyth@feddit.org 0 points 2 months ago Then why not prey on human labour and take as much as cheap food can offer? Let humans work for a cheap ration of corn. It can't get much more efficient. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (7 children) Absolutely agreed, but steaks? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] jonesey71@lemmus.org 10 points 2 months ago* (6 children) If you think the rich should be able to choose how the poor eat I would counter that the poor should choose whether the rich eat at all. Do you think people born to a higher position deserve a better quality of food based on their birthright? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago I think nobody deserves steak. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago* Not the OC. I think the point there is we should all be eating less steak, but I get what you're saying. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jako302@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago Food should absolutely be a human right, but what you receive should be based on survival needs and sustainability. I don't mean bread an water but rather a broad selection of staple goods that results in a varied diet with the ability to choose for yourself what you eat. Steak, and most other meat products, shouldn't be part of the basic selection, they are luxury products without a sustainable way to produce in large enough quantities. The equivalent is that free public transport wouldn't include flights since that simply isn't viable at the moment. Whether luxury goods that slowly kill the planet should be available at all is a different question entirely that can't be solved in our current geopolitical system. There are ways to address this but it would require a complete global restructuring that goes way beyond what food as a human right would require. permalink fedilink source parent [–] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) Do you think people born to a higher position deserve a better quality of food based on their birthright? If you go down that path, why not give cows the birthright to live? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) Because the deer that the wolf kills to eat it doesn't give the deer a right to live. We're animals too. We just happen to be better and more efficient at killing our prey. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plyth@feddit.org 0 points 2 months ago Then why not prey on human labour and take as much as cheap food can offer? Let humans work for a cheap ration of corn. It can't get much more efficient. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jonesey71@lemmus.org 10 points 2 months ago* (6 children) If you think the rich should be able to choose how the poor eat I would counter that the poor should choose whether the rich eat at all. Do you think people born to a higher position deserve a better quality of food based on their birthright? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago I think nobody deserves steak. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago* Not the OC. I think the point there is we should all be eating less steak, but I get what you're saying. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jako302@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago Food should absolutely be a human right, but what you receive should be based on survival needs and sustainability. I don't mean bread an water but rather a broad selection of staple goods that results in a varied diet with the ability to choose for yourself what you eat. Steak, and most other meat products, shouldn't be part of the basic selection, they are luxury products without a sustainable way to produce in large enough quantities. The equivalent is that free public transport wouldn't include flights since that simply isn't viable at the moment. Whether luxury goods that slowly kill the planet should be available at all is a different question entirely that can't be solved in our current geopolitical system. There are ways to address this but it would require a complete global restructuring that goes way beyond what food as a human right would require. permalink fedilink source parent [–] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) Do you think people born to a higher position deserve a better quality of food based on their birthright? If you go down that path, why not give cows the birthright to live? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) Because the deer that the wolf kills to eat it doesn't give the deer a right to live. We're animals too. We just happen to be better and more efficient at killing our prey. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plyth@feddit.org 0 points 2 months ago Then why not prey on human labour and take as much as cheap food can offer? Let humans work for a cheap ration of corn. It can't get much more efficient. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago I think nobody deserves steak. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago* Not the OC. I think the point there is we should all be eating less steak, but I get what you're saying. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jako302@feddit.org 7 points 2 months ago Food should absolutely be a human right, but what you receive should be based on survival needs and sustainability. I don't mean bread an water but rather a broad selection of staple goods that results in a varied diet with the ability to choose for yourself what you eat. Steak, and most other meat products, shouldn't be part of the basic selection, they are luxury products without a sustainable way to produce in large enough quantities. The equivalent is that free public transport wouldn't include flights since that simply isn't viable at the moment. Whether luxury goods that slowly kill the planet should be available at all is a different question entirely that can't be solved in our current geopolitical system. There are ways to address this but it would require a complete global restructuring that goes way beyond what food as a human right would require. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) Do you think people born to a higher position deserve a better quality of food based on their birthright? If you go down that path, why not give cows the birthright to live? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) Because the deer that the wolf kills to eat it doesn't give the deer a right to live. We're animals too. We just happen to be better and more efficient at killing our prey. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plyth@feddit.org 0 points 2 months ago Then why not prey on human labour and take as much as cheap food can offer? Let humans work for a cheap ration of corn. It can't get much more efficient. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) Because the deer that the wolf kills to eat it doesn't give the deer a right to live. We're animals too. We just happen to be better and more efficient at killing our prey. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] plyth@feddit.org 0 points 2 months ago Then why not prey on human labour and take as much as cheap food can offer? Let humans work for a cheap ration of corn. It can't get much more efficient. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plyth@feddit.org 0 points 2 months ago Then why not prey on human labour and take as much as cheap food can offer? Let humans work for a cheap ration of corn. It can't get much more efficient. permalink fedilink source parent