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[+] -7 points 4 months ago (28 children)

If Russia is clearly only after Donbass, why did they open by trying to seize the capital?

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (20 children)

    They didn't seriously try to take the capital, and even if by miracle they did, the purpose is to end the war then and there. Right now they are focusing on attrition, wearing Ukraine down slowly.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (19 children)

    If it is so, why are they bombing and loosing personnel in Sumy or Kharkiv?

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (18 children)

    Do you think in war you only attack what you directly plan on taking?

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  • [+] -11 points 4 months ago (17 children)
    1. Even when you routinely bomb civilians?
    2. In your logic there's nothing that can disapprove your position. Good luck Mr. Gorsky.
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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    Are you referring to Kiev shelling civilians in the Donbass region for 8 years, prompting Russia's entry into the war? Also, no clue why you're calling me Mr. Gorsky, are you accusing me of being Russian just because I think the people in Donetsk and Luhansk are human?

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  • [+] -7 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    fuelled by the inflow of foreign fighters and weapons from the Russian Federation, accounts for the majority of violations of the right to life in Ukraine over the last two years

    On April 12th 2014, a Russian citizen and FSB undercover officer Igor Strelkov led a group of Russian soldiers to take over Slov'yansk. Before that he was participating in annexation of Crimea which also leg to killings and torture of Ukrainian and Crimean tatar civilians and activists. He was later supported by regular Russian troops.

    Since 2022 Russian aggression destroyed hundreds of cities and towns, including but not limited to Bakhmut, Mariupol, Avdiivka, Vuhledar, Soledar, Popasna. They forced mobilisation of local civilians which lead to death of est. 20-25 thousands of forcefully mobilized civilians. How about morning them and not a fantasy of a report you can't comprehend starting from the opening.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (12 children)

    I'm aware that the UN report tries to blame Russia for Kiev killing civilians and separatists, but it's still nice to see them admit that Kiev was massacring civilians in Donetsk and Luhansk. The west coup'd the democratically elected president, and installed a Banderite government. It's no surprise that they'd be seceded from and that this gov would then try to force these same people they've ethnically repressed back into Ukraine.

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago (11 children)
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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    No, I didn't. You seem awfully content to ignore that Kiev was caught killing thousands of civilians.

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Ok, earlier you started that Russia is willing to take only Donbass. Is Zaporizhzha and Kherson a part of it?

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Do you think in war you only attack what you directly plan on taking?

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  • [+] -4 points 4 months ago* (7 children)
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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    I've already answered, though. Russia is working on wearing down Ukraine's arms and forces in a war of attrition, spreading them thinner and thinner and advancing slowly and thoroughly.

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  • [–] -2 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Show me where you answered the specific question please. Is Kherson and Zaporizhzha part of Donbass?

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    I quite literally answered it in the same comment you're replying to:

    Russia is working on wearing down Ukraine’s arms and forces in a war of attrition, spreading them thinner and thinner and advancing slowly and thoroughly.

    War is not "take XYZ land and then you've got it," it's a battle between two powers. Even if your goal is to annex certain territory, in this case the four Oblasts that Russia has made clear it intends in taking, taking land outside of the four Oblasts weakens Ukraine's ability to launch counteroffensives and stage troops. It does not mean Russia will keep every bit of land they take. Further, it also gives Russia leverage in treaties.

    This is incredibly simple and I'm astounded that you're making me repeat this in ever-simpler terms.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Jesus, that's some denialism. Yes or no is a simple answer yet you go at chatgp lengths to avoid it.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    What? I answered you numerous times, directly, in ever-simpler terms. That's not "chatGPT length," it's a single paragraph of explanation.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I'll dumb it down for you. The question you are asked is a yes/no type of question.

    The question is: Is Zaporizhzha and Kherson part of Donbass.

    You have choice:

    • Yes, Zaporizhzha and Kherson are Donbass.
    • No, Zaporizhzha and Kherson are not Donbass

    If you only can show where you gave one of those answers, I will concede. Not your strategic vision of how to wage a genocidal war, just a single question.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Even when you routinely bomb civilians?

    ?? Even amnesty has noted that Russia is the ones to make civilian escape corridors from areas under siege, while Ukraine shells them.

    What western propaganda does to an MF. Get out of the echo chamber.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    I think I've discovered a nest of illiteracy and poor comprehension skills. Amazing.

    To date, thousands of people have been living under unlawful bombardment, while millions of people have been forcibly displaced over the course of two weeks of conflict in Ukraine. Russian forces’ assault on civilian populations and wanton destruction of the infrastructure of daily life violate the Geneva Conventions and international human rights law and must cease.

    Ukrainian authorities have requested that the routes should allow civilians from heavily bombed Mariupol, Enerhodar, Sumy, Izyum and Volnovakha to escape, and for residents of several towns close to Kyiv – including Bucha, Irpin and Hostomel – to reach the capital. Testimonies that Amnesty International have collected to date from civilians in several of these locations indicate they were prevented from leaving by continuous Russian shelling.

    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/03/ukraine-humanitarian-corridors-for-civilians-fleeing-russian-attacks-must-provide-safety-new-testimonies/

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Leverage my man

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  • [+] -8 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    And you think Russia would have just traded it back for Donbass? Lol. Lmao, even.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    No I think they would and did use it to apply political pressure and relieve military pressure from other fronts by drawing enemy reserves. "Trade it for the Donbas" what are you nine?

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    My point is that Russia definitely wanted it, and they definitely wouldn't have come off of it if they conquered it. Pretending it was just a feint or that they didn't really want the capital is just whitewashing Russia's war of conquest.

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