▲ 233 ▼ Poland directs officials to ditch Signal in favor of 'secure' state-developed alternative (www.theregister.com) submitted 4 months ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 48 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] SrMono@feddit.org 16 points 4 months ago (7 children) German Army does the same. No shame there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] fullsquare@awful.systems 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) I mean, yeah. But it's not some national open source project, and that was claimed. Also, i'd like to know how intensely it was audited, because it's something different from open-source matrix homeserver/element-x (it's the propertiary part of it) polish army used it too before this one, but it wasn't intended for sensitive info permalink fedilink source parent [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (5 children) Any ideas why it's always Matrix? Not even XMPP. With not very performant servers and not very rich choice of clients, and still work in progress. And notably more fit for group chats rather than anything private and secure. It's just Matrix being popular? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] fullsquare@awful.systems 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children) xmpp sucks balls for this scenario. there are incredible footguns in encrypted xmpp, it wasn't there from day one and mind you it's intended for non-nixos users. they have migrated from threema permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) I suppose. NOSTR-based Marmot is being developed now, it seems more interesting for me than XMPP or Matrix, but it's still a new thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fullsquare@awful.systems 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) i doubt that any national comms authority will want to have anything in common with nostr. big point of this thing seems to be that it's on-prem (or at least in country) and with tightly controlled access other countries already use matrix for similar purposes (france, germany, estonia) army had their own deployment on similar terms (on-prem, controlled registration) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago You can have controlled registration and authorized relays with Nostr too. But the part where deploying Matrix is simple is, I suppose, the main reason. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SrMono@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago Maybe. Or they got the feeling to use a low-effort open protocol, that isn’t xmpp. I mean, they considered open whisper, for example, they would have to invest in a custom client. With matrix they slap a new sticker on the software and call it a day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) I mean, yeah. But it's not some national open source project, and that was claimed. Also, i'd like to know how intensely it was audited, because it's something different from open-source matrix homeserver/element-x (it's the propertiary part of it) polish army used it too before this one, but it wasn't intended for sensitive info permalink fedilink source parent
[–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (5 children) Any ideas why it's always Matrix? Not even XMPP. With not very performant servers and not very rich choice of clients, and still work in progress. And notably more fit for group chats rather than anything private and secure. It's just Matrix being popular? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] fullsquare@awful.systems 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children) xmpp sucks balls for this scenario. there are incredible footguns in encrypted xmpp, it wasn't there from day one and mind you it's intended for non-nixos users. they have migrated from threema permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) I suppose. NOSTR-based Marmot is being developed now, it seems more interesting for me than XMPP or Matrix, but it's still a new thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fullsquare@awful.systems 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) i doubt that any national comms authority will want to have anything in common with nostr. big point of this thing seems to be that it's on-prem (or at least in country) and with tightly controlled access other countries already use matrix for similar purposes (france, germany, estonia) army had their own deployment on similar terms (on-prem, controlled registration) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago You can have controlled registration and authorized relays with Nostr too. But the part where deploying Matrix is simple is, I suppose, the main reason. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SrMono@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago Maybe. Or they got the feeling to use a low-effort open protocol, that isn’t xmpp. I mean, they considered open whisper, for example, they would have to invest in a custom client. With matrix they slap a new sticker on the software and call it a day. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children) xmpp sucks balls for this scenario. there are incredible footguns in encrypted xmpp, it wasn't there from day one and mind you it's intended for non-nixos users. they have migrated from threema permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) I suppose. NOSTR-based Marmot is being developed now, it seems more interesting for me than XMPP or Matrix, but it's still a new thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fullsquare@awful.systems 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) i doubt that any national comms authority will want to have anything in common with nostr. big point of this thing seems to be that it's on-prem (or at least in country) and with tightly controlled access other countries already use matrix for similar purposes (france, germany, estonia) army had their own deployment on similar terms (on-prem, controlled registration) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago You can have controlled registration and authorized relays with Nostr too. But the part where deploying Matrix is simple is, I suppose, the main reason. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] belochka@lemmy.world 1 point 4 months ago (2 children) I suppose. NOSTR-based Marmot is being developed now, it seems more interesting for me than XMPP or Matrix, but it's still a new thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] fullsquare@awful.systems 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) i doubt that any national comms authority will want to have anything in common with nostr. big point of this thing seems to be that it's on-prem (or at least in country) and with tightly controlled access other countries already use matrix for similar purposes (france, germany, estonia) army had their own deployment on similar terms (on-prem, controlled registration) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago You can have controlled registration and authorized relays with Nostr too. But the part where deploying Matrix is simple is, I suppose, the main reason. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 1 point 4 months ago* (1 child) i doubt that any national comms authority will want to have anything in common with nostr. big point of this thing seems to be that it's on-prem (or at least in country) and with tightly controlled access other countries already use matrix for similar purposes (france, germany, estonia) army had their own deployment on similar terms (on-prem, controlled registration) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] belochka@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago You can have controlled registration and authorized relays with Nostr too. But the part where deploying Matrix is simple is, I suppose, the main reason. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] belochka@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago You can have controlled registration and authorized relays with Nostr too. But the part where deploying Matrix is simple is, I suppose, the main reason. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SrMono@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago Maybe. Or they got the feeling to use a low-effort open protocol, that isn’t xmpp. I mean, they considered open whisper, for example, they would have to invest in a custom client. With matrix they slap a new sticker on the software and call it a day. permalink fedilink source parent