▲ 542 ▼ Former Microsoft VP says Microsoft missed the AI wave like the internet and mobile, as Copilot scales back in Windows 11 (www.windowslatest.com) submitted 4 months ago by Stupendous@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 187 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 22 points 4 months ago (12 children) What wave? None of it fucking works... permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] theherk@lemmy.world -10 points 4 months ago (5 children) I think it is so strange people say stuff like this as though there aren’t objective metrics showing it does. We don’t have to like the billionaires using it to subjugate people, or the energy and water consumption, or the theft of copyrighted materials to be honest about the technology. It does work. As far as ml models go, since backpropagation was implemented in training, transformers have become extremely capable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 13 points 4 months ago (4 children) Every actual objective metric shows that companies have been using the LLM craze to cover for their layoffs for other reasons. That the dumbasses who did pay for it are spending more than their developer salary budgets for lower quality shit that needs people to fix it anyway, and that employees fucking hate having to use it - because it's shit. People wouldn't be tolenmaxxing to waste their quotas if they thought it was working. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] theherk@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) There is definitely some truth to what you’re saying, but my point is that those aren’t conflicting with the technology working. There are many scholarly refereed papers on transformer performance and generational improvement on standardized metrics. I don’t see the value in conflating something working with it being good or ethical. There is a gap between utility and hype, yes. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t work, and the inexorable negativity that comes invariably to comments recognizing this simple truth undercuts actual critical feedback. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 9 points 4 months ago (2 children) LLMs work like LLMs. Sure, in that way they work. LLMs are not Gen AI. Like they are being sold as. In that way they do NOT work. If they hadn't pitched these things as the singularity, people would be singing a different tune. But they're at best, a usability interface layer for other things. Not something that needed to be shoved down everyone's throats and spawn thousands of slapdash datacenters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) Goalpost-shifter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 1 point 3 months ago No goalpost has been shifted. You decided to infer something I didn't say. permalink fedilink source parent [+] SaltySalamander@fedia.io -12 points 4 months ago (5 children) You could just say you've never actually used it before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 11 points 4 months ago (4 children) It. Does. Not. Do. What. They. claim. No amount of lazy obvious PR posts on social media will change that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 3 months ago (3 children) Why are you making a completely different statement now? Every marketing claims shit that it does not do. Redbull does not give you actual wings. LLMs work, whether you find them ethical or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 2 points 3 months ago (2 children) I'm not making a different claim at all. I'm explaining what people mean when they say it doesn't work. You know very well that the claims that LLMs can do all this AI stuff is not the same a fucking slogan. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) You legitimately have no idea what you're talking about. Talk about confidently incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 1 point 3 months ago No, I'm very familiar with the difference between a stupid marketing slogan, and promised features of software meant to prop up a trillion dollar circlejerk of investing, which are still woefully absent, but thank you for your concern. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] theherk@lemmy.world -10 points 4 months ago (5 children) I think it is so strange people say stuff like this as though there aren’t objective metrics showing it does. We don’t have to like the billionaires using it to subjugate people, or the energy and water consumption, or the theft of copyrighted materials to be honest about the technology. It does work. As far as ml models go, since backpropagation was implemented in training, transformers have become extremely capable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 13 points 4 months ago (4 children) Every actual objective metric shows that companies have been using the LLM craze to cover for their layoffs for other reasons. That the dumbasses who did pay for it are spending more than their developer salary budgets for lower quality shit that needs people to fix it anyway, and that employees fucking hate having to use it - because it's shit. People wouldn't be tolenmaxxing to waste their quotas if they thought it was working. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] theherk@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) There is definitely some truth to what you’re saying, but my point is that those aren’t conflicting with the technology working. There are many scholarly refereed papers on transformer performance and generational improvement on standardized metrics. I don’t see the value in conflating something working with it being good or ethical. There is a gap between utility and hype, yes. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t work, and the inexorable negativity that comes invariably to comments recognizing this simple truth undercuts actual critical feedback. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 9 points 4 months ago (2 children) LLMs work like LLMs. Sure, in that way they work. LLMs are not Gen AI. Like they are being sold as. In that way they do NOT work. If they hadn't pitched these things as the singularity, people would be singing a different tune. But they're at best, a usability interface layer for other things. Not something that needed to be shoved down everyone's throats and spawn thousands of slapdash datacenters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) Goalpost-shifter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 1 point 3 months ago No goalpost has been shifted. You decided to infer something I didn't say. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 13 points 4 months ago (4 children) Every actual objective metric shows that companies have been using the LLM craze to cover for their layoffs for other reasons. That the dumbasses who did pay for it are spending more than their developer salary budgets for lower quality shit that needs people to fix it anyway, and that employees fucking hate having to use it - because it's shit. People wouldn't be tolenmaxxing to waste their quotas if they thought it was working. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] theherk@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) There is definitely some truth to what you’re saying, but my point is that those aren’t conflicting with the technology working. There are many scholarly refereed papers on transformer performance and generational improvement on standardized metrics. I don’t see the value in conflating something working with it being good or ethical. There is a gap between utility and hype, yes. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t work, and the inexorable negativity that comes invariably to comments recognizing this simple truth undercuts actual critical feedback. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 9 points 4 months ago (2 children) LLMs work like LLMs. Sure, in that way they work. LLMs are not Gen AI. Like they are being sold as. In that way they do NOT work. If they hadn't pitched these things as the singularity, people would be singing a different tune. But they're at best, a usability interface layer for other things. Not something that needed to be shoved down everyone's throats and spawn thousands of slapdash datacenters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) Goalpost-shifter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 1 point 3 months ago No goalpost has been shifted. You decided to infer something I didn't say. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theherk@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children) There is definitely some truth to what you’re saying, but my point is that those aren’t conflicting with the technology working. There are many scholarly refereed papers on transformer performance and generational improvement on standardized metrics. I don’t see the value in conflating something working with it being good or ethical. There is a gap between utility and hype, yes. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t work, and the inexorable negativity that comes invariably to comments recognizing this simple truth undercuts actual critical feedback. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 9 points 4 months ago (2 children) LLMs work like LLMs. Sure, in that way they work. LLMs are not Gen AI. Like they are being sold as. In that way they do NOT work. If they hadn't pitched these things as the singularity, people would be singing a different tune. But they're at best, a usability interface layer for other things. Not something that needed to be shoved down everyone's throats and spawn thousands of slapdash datacenters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) Goalpost-shifter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 1 point 3 months ago No goalpost has been shifted. You decided to infer something I didn't say. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 9 points 4 months ago (2 children) LLMs work like LLMs. Sure, in that way they work. LLMs are not Gen AI. Like they are being sold as. In that way they do NOT work. If they hadn't pitched these things as the singularity, people would be singing a different tune. But they're at best, a usability interface layer for other things. Not something that needed to be shoved down everyone's throats and spawn thousands of slapdash datacenters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) Goalpost-shifter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 1 point 3 months ago No goalpost has been shifted. You decided to infer something I didn't say. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) Goalpost-shifter. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 1 point 3 months ago No goalpost has been shifted. You decided to infer something I didn't say. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 1 point 3 months ago No goalpost has been shifted. You decided to infer something I didn't say. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] SaltySalamander@fedia.io -12 points 4 months ago (5 children) You could just say you've never actually used it before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 11 points 4 months ago (4 children) It. Does. Not. Do. What. They. claim. No amount of lazy obvious PR posts on social media will change that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 3 months ago (3 children) Why are you making a completely different statement now? Every marketing claims shit that it does not do. Redbull does not give you actual wings. LLMs work, whether you find them ethical or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 2 points 3 months ago (2 children) I'm not making a different claim at all. I'm explaining what people mean when they say it doesn't work. You know very well that the claims that LLMs can do all this AI stuff is not the same a fucking slogan. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) You legitimately have no idea what you're talking about. Talk about confidently incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 1 point 3 months ago No, I'm very familiar with the difference between a stupid marketing slogan, and promised features of software meant to prop up a trillion dollar circlejerk of investing, which are still woefully absent, but thank you for your concern. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 11 points 4 months ago (4 children) It. Does. Not. Do. What. They. claim. No amount of lazy obvious PR posts on social media will change that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 3 months ago (3 children) Why are you making a completely different statement now? Every marketing claims shit that it does not do. Redbull does not give you actual wings. LLMs work, whether you find them ethical or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 2 points 3 months ago (2 children) I'm not making a different claim at all. I'm explaining what people mean when they say it doesn't work. You know very well that the claims that LLMs can do all this AI stuff is not the same a fucking slogan. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) You legitimately have no idea what you're talking about. Talk about confidently incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 1 point 3 months ago No, I'm very familiar with the difference between a stupid marketing slogan, and promised features of software meant to prop up a trillion dollar circlejerk of investing, which are still woefully absent, but thank you for your concern. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 3 months ago (3 children) Why are you making a completely different statement now? Every marketing claims shit that it does not do. Redbull does not give you actual wings. LLMs work, whether you find them ethical or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 2 points 3 months ago (2 children) I'm not making a different claim at all. I'm explaining what people mean when they say it doesn't work. You know very well that the claims that LLMs can do all this AI stuff is not the same a fucking slogan. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) You legitimately have no idea what you're talking about. Talk about confidently incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 1 point 3 months ago No, I'm very familiar with the difference between a stupid marketing slogan, and promised features of software meant to prop up a trillion dollar circlejerk of investing, which are still woefully absent, but thank you for your concern. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 2 points 3 months ago (2 children) I'm not making a different claim at all. I'm explaining what people mean when they say it doesn't work. You know very well that the claims that LLMs can do all this AI stuff is not the same a fucking slogan. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) You legitimately have no idea what you're talking about. Talk about confidently incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 1 point 3 months ago No, I'm very familiar with the difference between a stupid marketing slogan, and promised features of software meant to prop up a trillion dollar circlejerk of investing, which are still woefully absent, but thank you for your concern. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (1 child) You legitimately have no idea what you're talking about. Talk about confidently incorrect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 1 point 3 months ago No, I'm very familiar with the difference between a stupid marketing slogan, and promised features of software meant to prop up a trillion dollar circlejerk of investing, which are still woefully absent, but thank you for your concern. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 1 point 3 months ago No, I'm very familiar with the difference between a stupid marketing slogan, and promised features of software meant to prop up a trillion dollar circlejerk of investing, which are still woefully absent, but thank you for your concern. permalink fedilink source parent