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American workers are tired of waiting. (thelemmy.club)
submitted 4 months ago by [M] to c/latestagecapitalism@lemmy.world
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.radio/post/13183659

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[+] -8 points 4 months ago (13 children)

Hey, if that was your first primary, fair. You might not be old enough to remember but there were primaries in 2016 and 2020 and while very good at being condescending online, progressives still didn't show up to vote.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    The ones the DNC admitted in court that they rigged and it's fine because they've never needed to be legally honest with the public?

    Those one's?

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  • [+] -7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    That's a wildly trumpian mischaracterization of what happened.

    Obviously a status quo is going to do what it can to protect its power, just like the RNC stacked the odds against trump in 2015. But we still couldn't get enough progressives to do the actual, non whining online work of showing up and voting.

    It astounds me that the group that can't even muster enough support to go and outvote the liberal side of the electorate somehow thinks they'll rally folks to a revolution. It's goddamn childish. Show up, vote, win elections.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    Obviously a status quo is going to do what it can to protect its power

    If your party is going to interfere in its own primaries to make sure its chosen candidates have an advantage, don't call yourself the democratic party, because that's not democratic.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

    Way to assume that I'm some child because you can't grasp how American politics works, and how rigged it is against us. I've voted Dem my whole life and we do have progressive candidates out in our state legislature where my voice actually gets heard (and even that is flawed and limited to two parties as well).

    Anyway, did you know each of our states only gets two senators? My home state of Massachusetts gets the same number of Senators as California (which has over double the population of Ontario) and Wyoming (which has under half the population of Saskatchewan).

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Well, out of the two of us, you either forgot about 2/3 of the last the last elections or chose to ignore then because you knew they disproved your point.

    And yes, the Senators is a weird thing but on the other hand, imagine how powerful progressive Senators could be if only progressives voted!

    Fwiw, the usual and more striking comparison for California and Canada is that California has almost as many people as all of Canada.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    1/3 primaries being bunk is not the W you think it is. I don't know why you keep thinking it makes your cause look good. It makes your horseshit liberal electoral politics even more silly , which is actually impressive.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    It's almost like there was something wildly unusual about the last candidate... Oh right, usually a candidate doesn't drop out right before the election.

    Goodness gracious.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    If that were an isolated incident, you might have a point. It's part of a pattern of behavior in which the party interferes in its own primaries in favor of centrist candidates over progressive candidates.

    The party didn't need to have its pledged superdelegates announce ahead of time that they were voting for Clinton. The party didn't need to pass debate questions to Clinton. The party didn't need to protect Henry Cuellar from a progressive challenger while failing to protect Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman. The party didn't need to oust David Hogg for getting new candidates involved in politics. The party didn't need to sue as many candidates as it could off the ballot in 2024 so that Biden was the only name that appeared on the ballot in all 50 states. And the party didn't need to make an endorsement in the primary for Maine's second district. But it did.

    Blaming progressives for the results of a system that is deliberately manipulated to favor their opponents is just gloating.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Nice 66% winrate.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Well, out of the two of us, you either forgot about 2/3 of the last the last elections or chose to ignore then because you knew they disproved your point.

    Says you.

    And yes, the Senators is a weird thing but on the other hand, imagine how powerful progressive Senators could be if only progressives voted!

    I'll rally the progressive cattle that outnumber humans in Wyoming and travel to the great Mormon state of Utah and pitch my case, post-haste! /s

    Fwiw, the usual and more striking comparison for California and Canada is that California has almost as many people as all of Canada

    Which is why you should really reconsider how lacking your understanding is. I'm comparing states and provinces and the whole country of Canada can't even match. You think California runs the federal government?

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