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[–] [S] 54 points 3 years ago (128 children)

The very idea of being a landlord is pretty evil though? Like in a housing shortage you're hoarding property and profiting off it.

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  • [–] 61 points 3 years ago (21 children)

    So while I generally agree with your sentiment, there are some obvious ways that sometime could be an ethical landlord.

    What if you have a house that's too big, so you convert a floor into an apartment? You're adding to the number of housing units available. Should you be forced to sell a portion of your house/building to whoever wants to live there? Or should you be able to rent it out to someone at a reasonable rate? Do we want rules that discourage people from potentially adding units to the market?

    I feel like the "all landlords are evil" narrative is way too simplistic, and that simplistic view turns off people who would otherwise support reasonable limits on landlords and housing ownership. Like, it's obvious that we need limits and taxes on people who own multiple properties, and it's obvious that there are companies that exploit renters and drive up prices, but it's all more complicated than just "landlords evil lol".

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  • [–] 35 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (31 children)

    Your assuming everyone wants to own property over renting.

    House and property ownership has a lot of responsibility and expenses involved. Your water heater breaks well there is $1000+ your roof needs replacing there is 30K. All of that goes away when you rent as it isn't your responsibility.

    If you own property it can be harder and more risky to relocate. I know a few people that bought in 2007 and then were stuck as they couldn't afford to move because they were upsidedown on their house.

    Not saying renting is all sunshine and roses. I personally would rather own then rent but home ownership isn't for everyone.

    But I do think it is a major problem when you have a few companies buying up all property so no one else can afford it. But I don't think being a Landlord is inherently evil.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Like in a housing shortage you’re hoarding property and profiting off it.

    Housing shortages are caused by bad government policy: namely, low-density zoning. Direct your anger towards the entity that deserves it, and make them fix their fuck-up.

    (Note: I'm not making some kind of Libertarian "all government is bad" argument here. I'm saying that in this specific case, the laws need to be changed.)

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago

    There is enough empty property to house every homeless person 30 times. Some of those empty property are summer houses and shit, but even then the problem isn't the lack of housing, it's treating homes as a mean to make money out of people's basic needs. You can build the best walkable city in the world, but if it will be bought by professional landlords immediately it will not solve shit.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (21 children)

    Not everyone is able or willing to own their property, what would they do if landlords didn't exist?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 years ago (17 children)

    Privatizing the right to have shelter is pretty scummy to be a thing to exist.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    Make it illegal to rent out property you don't live on.

    If you want to rent out your basement, or build a seperate dwelling on your property then you are adding to the available housing and can rent that. Most people would rather build their own equity given the chance, and this would provide rentals for temporary living situations.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    What's the alternative here? Only letting big companies without any ethical regards rent housing?

    Sure, there's a good argument to be made that housing is essential to survive and as such should be provided by the government, but that's not the world we live in. In this society, it's likely someone is going to have to rent it out and I'd rather it be a person who actually gives a shit and can be held responsible rather than some faceless corporation.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I think everyone in your replies is conflating being a full time landlord and a part time landlord. One of them is definitely more evil than the other.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Idk my previous landlord was part time and was still hell.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    My previous landlord was amazing. Dealt with every issue that arose in a timely fashion, never raised my rent (which was already very fair based on the location), and even installed central AC after my first kid was born since the house was old and could get pretty hot in the summers.

    And she wasn’t the only good landlord I’ve had.

    Sorry your experience has been bad with renting, and I agree that most landlords are terrible (I’ve had plenty of those as well), but just because you haven’t ever had a good landlord doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

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