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[–] 11 points 5 months ago (47 children)

what's wrong with normal milk?

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago (19 children)
  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    It’s a no win situation. Either you’re a ruthless BigAg megacorp treating a living being like a machine for financial gain, or you’re an independent farmer who’s built a relationship with your cow by looking her in the eye each time you reach down with a slow, firm, gentle hand. One’s cruel, one’s unusual.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I guess not abusing an animal is a win situation.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    or you’re an independent farmer who’s built a relationship with your cow by looking her in the eye each time you reach down with a slow, firm, gentle hand

    And take away her calf and send it to the slaughter, since that is the only way you can produce milk for human consumption.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Should I have made the punchline of the shitpost about artificial insemination? Seemed like low-hanging fruit. I assumed that the idea of a dude groping an animal’s mammary glands carried its own implications of weirdness, and that readers were familiar with what triggers lactation. But, as they say, when you assume… Now you and me are both asses.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Soy milk or oat milk is a pretty big W in my book

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    Conceptually, yeah. But I can’t classify any product that has its roots in seeds/pesticides/herbicides produced for monoculture then processed and packaged by conglomerates that leave the brand name of the farms and small producers they bought out so they could peddle the fiction of “small farm” or “ethical” as a win. It’s a step in the right direction, but like so many things capitalism gets its hands on, it’s also often greenwashed to target buyers who want to feel like their choice is ethical but we’re still buying from shitty companies that profit from your soy milk purchase just as much as from someone else’s whole milk purchase. There’s not a lot of environmentally conscious, sustainably grown, artisanal soy milk made from heirloom seeds being sold at farmer’s markets.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (2 children)

    Idk if this is you but it doesn't follow that because there is no ethical consumption under capitalism therefore I'll just have cows raped, separated from their babies, and murdered my whole life so I can drink their secretions.

    Drinking soy or oat milk is definitely more ethical than cows milk. Im not saying it is saying it is 100% ethically pure just as no consumption under capitalism can be ethically pure.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (1 child)

    Harm reduction is the point because there’s no clean win in the system. But the people selling the animal derived products are often also the ones selling conscientious consumers the oat milk. They don’t care about harm reduction, just profits, and as veganism has grown increasingly popular they’ve amped up producing products to supply that demand. At the end of the day, we don’t actually need bovine milk, or soy milk, or oat milk. Whatever form they’re in they’re a want, not a need. If your only challenge to a system designed to profit from exploitation is to indulge your wants but feel good because that want is advertised as better, you’re not challenging the system. Living requires consumption, all living things do it. Sometimes reducing harm to others means deciding to forgo the want for something you don’t really need in the first place.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    I use soy milk to help meet my protein needs not wants. It is sold by three trees who only sells organics and only plant based milks.

    I became a vegan to reduce my consumption and impact. It was not and still is not a popular decision. It was not advertised to me. It was and continues to be actually quite alienating.

    I work to challenge "the system" in many ways other than my veganism, but to be clear veganism is challenging "the system." It is explicitly about making the choice to not indulge in wants if they cause harm.

    Of course capitalists will cash in on any trend. Guilt by association is a fallacy that can be used to incorrectly dismiss anything.

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  • [+] -22 points 5 months ago (6 children)
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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    As a human, normal milk for me comes from human titties.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    And why has no one made cheese from human milk?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Have heard of people trying it several times, but unfortunately it doesn’t work for some reason.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    To make cow cheese they use calf stomach, or whatever rennet is.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    most of the world is allergic to milk, also breeding and killing cows contributes to global warming and animal torture

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (10 children)

    most of the world is allergic to milk,

    I'm going to need to see some sources to back up that claim.

    Edit: this seems to say less than 0,5% of adult population is allergic to milk. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1939455122000229

    Lactose intolerance is more common.

    Experts estimate that about 68 percent of the world’s population has lactose malabsorption.1

    https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/digestive-diseases/lactose-intolerance/definition-facts

    But that's far from allergy. Allergies are more severe than just bloating, diarrhea and gas.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah I guess that's what they meant.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Has to be, only way it makes sense and would explain why i was surprised over it as I'm form EU and it's significantly less people are effected here.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Virtually all adult humans will develop some degree of lactose intolerance as they age. A lot of people just never connect the fact that they are getting more farty and bloated with dairy, so in cultures where dairy consumption is more culturally ingrained, mild to moderate lactose intolerance tends to be underreported.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    I guess, you didn't claim otherwise, but just to point out that there's actually also a genetic change in cultures that have consumed dairy for longer:

    In northern European countries, early adoption of dairy farming conferred a selective evolutionary advantage to individuals that could tolerate lactose. This led to higher frequencies of lactose tolerance in these countries. For example, almost 100% of Irish people are predicted to be lactose tolerant.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactose_intolerance

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    it might be far from allergy, but it makes no sense to consume such a thing

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    i think you mean lactose intolerant, milk allergy is sorta uncommon. most of asians are lactose intolerant due to not evolving with cow milk, but some european people are not lactose intolerant. other ways to get intolerant is through intestinal diseases, like parasites or celiacs, or gi infections. but lactose intolerant do build up as you age too.

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