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LW Instance Bans for Reporting TOS breaking comments in retaliation (thelemmy.club)
submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Banned from lemmy world completely for reporting tos breaking comments like this https://lemmy.world/comment/23350098 in a single thread https://lemmy.world/post/45909721.

Almost undoubtedly in retaliation from Serinous for calling out all their other removals and bans

https://lemmy.world/post/45982249

Update rogue mod flat out admits it and apologizes to the account doing tos breaking comments.

https://lemmy.world/post/45982249/23425409

Well done world, well fucking done

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[–] 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

Talking with some people about it. Kaplan has gone beyond the pale with the petty defederation but Serinus' behavior (and the lack of active admins otherwise) have demonstrated that lemmy.world has insufficient moderation for admin abuse on their instance. Ruud won't lift a finger or even have any input at all. Their admin team is either corrupt or non-existent and letting them run around setting the stage for everything due to their size is untenable and unsustainable. I have no reason to believe that anyone on the admin team will do anything without pressure being applied as they've demonstrated in the past they're not willing to do anything without pressure being applied.

A reactionary administration team, especially one so emotionally charged and driven, isn't trustworthy. I'm not even sure if it can be fixed. Serinus would need to be removed from any/all position where he speaks for admins, that (frankly massive security risk, not to mention totally bypassing of the modlog) of a discord bot would have to be killed and Kaplan would need to be relegated to devops only. I have no reason to believe that @Ruud@lemmy.world will do this. Genuinely believe that, at this stage, the only reasonable option is defederation. They've proven they're not willing to listen and are willing to engage in consistent admin-level abuse.

The dog keeps getting out of its yard and biting people. No owner is around with a leash. Time to lock our gates.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    I mean, as much as I like to pile on PTBs, they're only driving their own users away from their instance. A defederation because their admins keep abusing their power isn't sufficient imho, because they can't do anything significant. I feel like defederation should be reserved for cases where their userbase behaviour is overall harmful, such as bigotry, or speech which would drive away marginalized people from our instance to avoid seeing it. Having one of their mods degrade their own instance trust, doesn't do that and if anything would prevent their users from seeing our agitations.

    That's my take on this.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

    The problem lies in with the fact that they're the largest instace on lemmy by a significant margin so they control the playing field. This is like trying to wait for reddit to kill itself. It's not going to because people start relying on it and getting too used to it and don't want to bother with anything else. Combine that with admins that are actively harming the fediverse by driving new people away when their instance is the first thing they see? They need to be held over a barrel until Kaplan and Serinus are gone. As for your usage case:

    or speech which would drive away marginalized people from our instance to avoid seeing it.

    The official LW Admin account is officially considering sanctioning and defederation from Dbzer0 based off of a purely slanderous case made by Kaplanwas that the admins of this instance didn't take it seriously enough based off of their feelings.

    Kaplan has no evidentiary basis for a consideration for this defederation and even admitted as much. If we roll over and accept that then what is even the point? Just accept that Lemmy.world is going to continue throwing hissyfits and the rest of the Fediverse just has to accept it? I want to see something done for outrageous threats made against not just the instance but all 20 thousand users that Kaplan is ready to handwave away based off of their feelings.

    To use Kaplans own words here, it is not my intention to control who can or can't be on admin teams on another instance but I do expect other instances to understand that an individual admin's actions reflect their instance as a whole. Something Ruud seems to not care about and something that Kaplan belives does not apply to themself. Overall, the primary response by the LW Admin team has been to frame AN and Dbzer0 as either a small instance that "only has 165 users" or a "vocal minority with an agenda". For 20,000 users.

    There is a significant difference in the tolerance of hypocrisy on our platforms.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Sorry but I just don't agree that pre-emptive defederation is the right play here. Even with reddit, we still do outreach and try to remind people lemmy exists and that they should move. I think it's better to keep federated and continue agitating for people and communities to migrate away.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago* (5 children)

    Which will be unable to do because Lemmy.world hoovers up everyone instantly and then sets a false narrative with abusive admins. I mean I'm proof of that. I was there for ages because I didn't realize they were whole ass lying to me.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    I'm not certain that's true anymore. The early times of the rexxodus were something else. Most of the people doing outreach are not suggesting L.W anymore and power users like blaze are constantly agitating to move comms away. Plus the fact that the mod team of l.w. is rapidly losing quality and trust is also pushing more and more people away. I just don't think L.W. hoovers everyone anymore. The paradigm has changed. In fact lemmy as a whole is not gaining as many users as piefed.

    And if that were true and people defaulted to l.w. right now, defederating would be even worse, as these wouldn't even know we exist.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    I am recently new to Lemmy as a whole. I didn't understand what federation meant or how different instances worked and my first instance was .world. It was not a great experience and nearly turned me away from Lemmy as a whole because it seemed just as bad and corrupt as Reddit (although, with less bots.) Someone explained to me how it worked and convinced me to go to a different instance. I think if I had come to a different instance in the first place, I wouldn't have had that experience. I wonder how many people were like me and weren't lucky enough to have someone tell them to just move?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    power users like blaze are constantly agitating to move comms away.

    One day they'll agree to close !movies@lemmy.world and finally acknowledge that !movies@piefed.social is the most active community.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    LW repeatedly foot in their mouthing is rapidly changing this. people (yourself included) calling kaplan and the other admins in an important part of that change. let it ride to its natural conclusion.

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