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[+] [S] -8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

The problem rests on your belief that you know better than the millions of people in the DPRK

That's only true if you assume the government is actually a representation of the will of the people of the DPRK. How am I supposed to know whether that's true other than by evaluating the quality of their democratic system?

Though you maintain a polite tone, your actual actions speak against that

What actions have I taken that are upsetting?

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    The government does not exist outside of class society, but within it. The classes in power in the DPRK are the working classes, there is extremely minimal private property and that private property is largely foreign owned. The structures in place were put there by the organized working classes. When you erase class analysis, or diverge from it by inventing new classes that don't actually fit how we understand class, you run into problems.

    As for actions you've taken that are upsetting, I already explained in earlier comments the regular strawmanning and misframing you've done of my position, and the positions of others.

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  • [+] [S] -6 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    The classes in power in the DPRK are the working classes

    Whether this is true is really what I'm trying to determine, and currently skeptical of. I guess it may be difficult to prove or disprove. It sounds like you think the class identity of the administration is enough to say so, but I could be wrong. I don't see that as sufficient.

    regular strawmanning and misframing

    I may have misrepresented your or others' perspectives, but if so it was not intentional.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I've explained class and how there isn't some separate class in the DPRK. The landlords were appropriated from, same as the bourgeoisie. The working classes control the state, and have the same class interests as the people outside of the state apparatus. So far your only point against it is an unsupported "potential," which is the same metaphysical error made by Bordiga and the "Left" communists.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    The working classes control the state

    Do you mean (1) that the collective will of the working class directs the behavior of the state, or (2) that managers of the state are members of the working class?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    That’s only true if you assume the government is actually a representation of the will of the people of the DPRK

    Everything you're baselessly insinuating only makes sense if you assume a priori that it isn't. This is just you inverting your uninformed position and assuming it must be ours too.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 4 months ago

    you assume a priori that it isn't

    I'm open to the idea that is is, but all the evidence I've seen this far indicates that it isn't, and no one has given evidence that it is

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