▲ 316 ▼ Apple already shipped attestation on the web, and we barely noticed (httptoolkit.com) submitted 3 years ago by lautan@lemmy.ca to c/technology@lemmy.world 78 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] kitonthenet@kbin.social 6 points 3 years ago (10 children) Ok, so I will not use them. This is acceptable to me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 25 points 3 years ago (6 children) You’re using two right now lol. Both Kbin and Lemmy world use Cloudfare as their CDN. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) It wouldn’t be an instance. It would be their CDN. And your browser. And any instance of significant size is going to have a CDN to help deal with the DDoS attacks and bots. Hell I would bet that outside of very carefully curated instances, all fediverse instances will start using CDNs here soon just because of bots. And chances are they will use cloudfare or Fastly. But there’s nothing to “enforce”. It’s not a “you must be attested or you can’t access” it will be “if you’re not attested you will have a captcha shown for most things”. Cloudfare already does this. If your browser looks suspicious, and the website you’re visiting using cloudfare as a CDN, you’ll be redirected to cloudfare to enter a captcha before they’ll let you into the site. Attestation removes that captcha part using a token generated by your device and validated by the maker of the browser you’re using. So you’d never even see the redirect at all, it would just take a second or two longer to connect. People using heavily modified machines or browsers wouldn’t be attested and would have to enter a captcha. That’s about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It is. Until you have to enter a captcha for every redirect. Then it will get real annoying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] kitonthenet@kbin.social 4 points 3 years ago I don’t have any problem accessing them, which was my point permalink fedilink source parent [–] herrvogel@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) If you're gonna make a conscious effort to not use cloudflare and fastly you might as well quit the internet altogether. You use those things all the time, mostly without even realizing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kitonthenet@kbin.social -4 points 3 years ago I realize exactly how much I use them, reread what I have written. permalink fedilink source parent [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 25 points 3 years ago (6 children) You’re using two right now lol. Both Kbin and Lemmy world use Cloudfare as their CDN. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) It wouldn’t be an instance. It would be their CDN. And your browser. And any instance of significant size is going to have a CDN to help deal with the DDoS attacks and bots. Hell I would bet that outside of very carefully curated instances, all fediverse instances will start using CDNs here soon just because of bots. And chances are they will use cloudfare or Fastly. But there’s nothing to “enforce”. It’s not a “you must be attested or you can’t access” it will be “if you’re not attested you will have a captcha shown for most things”. Cloudfare already does this. If your browser looks suspicious, and the website you’re visiting using cloudfare as a CDN, you’ll be redirected to cloudfare to enter a captcha before they’ll let you into the site. Attestation removes that captcha part using a token generated by your device and validated by the maker of the browser you’re using. So you’d never even see the redirect at all, it would just take a second or two longer to connect. People using heavily modified machines or browsers wouldn’t be attested and would have to enter a captcha. That’s about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It is. Until you have to enter a captcha for every redirect. Then it will get real annoying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] kitonthenet@kbin.social 4 points 3 years ago I don’t have any problem accessing them, which was my point permalink fedilink source parent
[+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) It wouldn’t be an instance. It would be their CDN. And your browser. And any instance of significant size is going to have a CDN to help deal with the DDoS attacks and bots. Hell I would bet that outside of very carefully curated instances, all fediverse instances will start using CDNs here soon just because of bots. And chances are they will use cloudfare or Fastly. But there’s nothing to “enforce”. It’s not a “you must be attested or you can’t access” it will be “if you’re not attested you will have a captcha shown for most things”. Cloudfare already does this. If your browser looks suspicious, and the website you’re visiting using cloudfare as a CDN, you’ll be redirected to cloudfare to enter a captcha before they’ll let you into the site. Attestation removes that captcha part using a token generated by your device and validated by the maker of the browser you’re using. So you’d never even see the redirect at all, it would just take a second or two longer to connect. People using heavily modified machines or browsers wouldn’t be attested and would have to enter a captcha. That’s about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It is. Until you have to enter a captcha for every redirect. Then it will get real annoying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (3 children) It wouldn’t be an instance. It would be their CDN. And your browser. And any instance of significant size is going to have a CDN to help deal with the DDoS attacks and bots. Hell I would bet that outside of very carefully curated instances, all fediverse instances will start using CDNs here soon just because of bots. And chances are they will use cloudfare or Fastly. But there’s nothing to “enforce”. It’s not a “you must be attested or you can’t access” it will be “if you’re not attested you will have a captcha shown for most things”. Cloudfare already does this. If your browser looks suspicious, and the website you’re visiting using cloudfare as a CDN, you’ll be redirected to cloudfare to enter a captcha before they’ll let you into the site. Attestation removes that captcha part using a token generated by your device and validated by the maker of the browser you’re using. So you’d never even see the redirect at all, it would just take a second or two longer to connect. People using heavily modified machines or browsers wouldn’t be attested and would have to enter a captcha. That’s about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It is. Until you have to enter a captcha for every redirect. Then it will get real annoying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It is. Until you have to enter a captcha for every redirect. Then it will get real annoying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) It is. Until you have to enter a captcha for every redirect. Then it will get real annoying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] kitonthenet@kbin.social 4 points 3 years ago I don’t have any problem accessing them, which was my point permalink fedilink source parent
[–] herrvogel@lemmy.world 10 points 3 years ago (1 child) If you're gonna make a conscious effort to not use cloudflare and fastly you might as well quit the internet altogether. You use those things all the time, mostly without even realizing it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] kitonthenet@kbin.social -4 points 3 years ago I realize exactly how much I use them, reread what I have written. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kitonthenet@kbin.social -4 points 3 years ago I realize exactly how much I use them, reread what I have written. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] elbarto777@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent