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Microsoft reveals major price increase for all Surface PCs as RAM crisis continues (www.windowscentral.com)
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[–] 82 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Lol, just as Apple released their lowest cost laptop ever at $600

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    Not really sure how big of a difference it makes but isn't the memory on the Neo on the same die as the processor? The A18 Pro is also likely a lot of old binned chips that they've been collecting for a year. I wouldn't be surprises if this completely isolated them from the rising memory costs. Apple really lucked out on the timing of their release. Not that the Neo wouldn't have been an amazing value regardless either way.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    but isn't the memory on the Neo on the same die as the processor?

    Not actually on the same die, but in the same package, stacked on top using TSMC's Integrated Fan-Out Package on Package (InFO-PoP).

    So the memory still needs to be sourced from memory manufacturers, sent to TSMC, and then have TSMC package it all together in a single package. It's unclear whether they had locked up this supply at pre-AI prices, though. The underlying A18 Pro chip/package was annoinced and launched about 18 months ago, so if they had the manufacturing pipeline set up for that they might have kept the contractual rights to continue buying memory at the old prices.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    And it uses literally the same exact hardware as the iPhone 🤣

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  • [–] 50 points 4 months ago

    I honestly feel that's less of a diss on the Neo and more of a statement on how overpowered phones are now, especially considering the limitations placed on mobile OSes.

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  • [–] 33 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Some of the same hardware, yes.

    But also - the CPU/GPU in the iPhones are insane.

    Compared against a bunch of laptops in the price class from dell, HP, etc and the single-core performance is like 50% higher on the iPhone CPU in the macbook neo.

    I can't wait for more ARM CPUs that hit these specs for a reasonable price.

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  • [+] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    As someone who was very excited about ARM several years ago and still is using ARM for half of my homelab equipment, it's unfortunately rapidly become irrelevant. x86 CPUs can now run as efficiently at the same TDP while still beating it in performance with all the benefits of x86. Unless something unforeseen changes, I probably won't be buying any more ARM machines for homelab/server use. Still using what I already own, of course.

    RISC-V seems cool though, but not sure that it will be more attractive than x86.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    This seems nonsensical to me. It's physically impossible for ARM competitors to match the performance of Apple ARM?

    Not to mention that we're talking about their lowest-specced CPU here and there are far more powerful ones.

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  • [+] -6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    Those single core performance numbers are entirely benchmaxxed and don't reflect real world performance or reality at all

    EDIT: downvoters in denial. They get better synthetic Geekbench numbers compared to some of the latest desktop x86 processors ("beats" 7950X and "meets" 9950X), but get absolutely smoked by those same processors in real use. Maybe your only use of a computer is running Geekbench idk.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    EDIT: downvoters in denial. They get better synthetic Geekbench numbers compared to some of the latest desktop x86 processors ("beats" 7950X and "meets" 9950X), but get absolutely smoked by those same processors in real use. Maybe your only use of a computer is running Geekbench idk.

    Where the heck are you getting these results from because there's absolutely no way these results are real. The M5 Max doesn't even get anywhere near the 9950X much less the A18 Pro.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Honestly, do people actually treat geekbench results with anything more than a pinch of salt outside of mobile? I thought people at least use Cinebench for this.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Seems you let you bias take over rather than actually knowing why you’re talking about.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Except I'm factually correct.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Your words were correct but not your laughing smug face. You said it like it was some kind of own when really it was complementing iPhone’s.

    I’ll hate on all the companies in the world, but I’ll do it based on facts and not allow my bias to make me look like a clown, as it did for you here.

    Just try and be better is all I ask, else we may as well go hang around on r/conservative with all the other folk that don’t fact check and have no integrity.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    And I'm supposed to be the biased one who looks like a clown?? 🤣

    Brother, we aren't talking about phones, we are talking about laptops. Yes, it is a huge own.

    else we may as well go hang around on r/conservative with all the other folk that don’t fact check and have no integrity.

    As you've admitted, I'm factually correct.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    The laptop is extremely mediocre. I wouldn't want a laptop made from an Android phone, either.

    You got ratio’d on Lemmy

    Your one downvote isn't a ratio...

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Whatever dude. You’re not going to bring me round to your warped bias view and I’m not going to instil any integrity or common sense into you so let’s go our separate ways as there’s nothing more to be said.

    No hard feelings you silly cunt 😂. For what it’s worth I hope you have a wonderful day.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    and its STILL insultingly expensive for what it is.

    A laptop with one of the worst modern keyboards with a dated ARM phone soc.. Where have I heard that before.

    If the pinebook can exist for $200 in tiny volumes, the macbook with its massive production volume is absolutely a slap in the face. The BOM on that thing can't be more than $200-250 even with the wasteful packaging and marketing.

    That should be filling the $399 space the eee pc laptops did. The costs should have diminished down by now.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Huh? The CPU has still one of the highest single core performance benchmarks on the market, especially considering it's fanless. The keyboard is also really good as they got rid of the butterfly in 2019, it is unfortunate, it has no backlight, and RAM is limited to 8 gigabytes. Otherwise, a good deal with how good the screen and speakers are, and solid aluminum build quality

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    The keyboard is also really good as they got rid of the butterfly in 2019

    Man, not OP so I do agree with everything else you said but the keyboard is only passable. Compared to laptops at this price range it is really good but overall? No way that keyboard can be considered good with that god awful key travel. I love my Neo for light tasks but no way I'm using that for any serious typing work.

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  • [–] -3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Gee mister I bet you sure do love paying phat margins on commodity goods.

    To quote Allan Sugar, you've bought in to the mugs eyeful.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    let me guess... it's got less processing power than an iPod Nano.

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