EDIT: no, I don't sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're losing an argument ;)
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Yeah I wonder why, maybe it's because they are directly responsible for the current war. Maybe the US should stop arming extreme right wing groups whenever they want to destabilize a region like they did in Afghanistan and Iraq and in Ukraine prior to the war. Nato is proudly posting images of soldiers with the black sun on their uniforms on twitter but I guess that's completely irrelevant.
"oh look what you made me do."
Ukraine is a sovereign country and Russia has no claim to it. Defending Ukraine is the right thing to do and that's not debatable. Saving innocent lives and preventing further genocide is a good thing. I don't see why these fucking idiots have to gargle Putin's balls so much. Yes, America bad. We know. That's a problem for later. Right now children are being murdered by Russia. That's far more important to stop right now.
Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia is responsible for the current war. Stop drinking the commie kool-aid.
You can whine about NATO and geopolitics all you want, at the end of the day Russia could simply have chosen not to invade Ukraine and NATO would not be dumping the entire alliance's 40 year stockpile into the conflict.
You libs are the absolute fucking worst. When did I say that the US is solely responsible? Ofcourse the majority of the blame lies with Russia and Putin, that doesn't excuse what the US has done to contribute to this war happening. And this isn't some new thing, they have been doing this for decades and constantly destabilizing other regions for their own profit. You should try for once to think a bit deeper about an issue than the absolute surface.
No, not majority. ALL of the responsibility of this war is Russian, and specifically Putin's.
It is pure propaganda to state or imply that anyone else is responsible for this war.
Since when is it liberal to be opposed to Russia? It's been a conservative Western policy since the Cold War.
You said "directly responsible," which means all or most of the blame in a given situation. No one uses American English to claim something is directly responsible but not also majority responsible.
Also, I never even actually said that you claimed the US was solely responsible. I just said Russia was solely responsible, because they chose to invade. If you're conceding you meant the US is solely responsible though and are walking back that inane argument, understood, but maybe just stop licking Putin's boot and go read a history book for fucks sake.
No it doesn't, it means exactly what it says. The actions of the US directly led to the war.
Completely oblivious take. Tell me why did the US arm and train ultra rightwing groups in ukraine well before the war started? Going as far back as 2013. What was the goals there exactly? You should take your own advice and read a history book cuase the US has been destabilizing regions like this for a while. And every single time it has led to war in the region where they did it. So yes, the US is directly responsible, because this is exactly what they wanted.
Is this supposed to mean anything? I've never said a positive thing about Putin in my life. Two things can be bad at once, trying to boil everything down to "Russia bad, NATO good" is completely disingenuous. Furthemore it's detached from reality. Both are bad, a critque of NATO and the US for the part they played in making tha war happen isn't absolution for Russia invading and escalating it to war.
And the reason all that is important is because, like I said, this isn't anything new. The US has been doing the same thing for decades and will keep doing it as long as people like you keep ignoring it and spouting such nonsensical takes.