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Punish the Democrats, she says (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 1 point 6 months ago* (13 children)

I agree with the exact opposite of this.
In 2024 the choice of which candidate would lead us to fascism was obvious to anyone paying attention. The left in this country decided to take it's ball and go home, and now we're living through the consequences. The left does not deserve to walk away from this blunder without criticism.

Even if I grant that voting for democrats somehow in some twistabout way "supported facism" (which is bullshit,) it was plain to see for anyone with a brain what would happen if the actual facist, you know, the one posting god damned nazi memes in his campaign videos, was allowed to take power. Now we're living through the consequences of the inaction of the left to get up off it's ass and do something.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (12 children)

    Okay, so the left caused your candidate to lose. Aside from the fact that Holocaust Harris would've lost even if she received every single third party vote except RFK's, even including Libertarians who are usually more right-leaning, sure, let's go with that narrative anyway.

    The left is the reason your candidate lost, because the left did not find your candidate worth voting for.

    Sounds like you should listen to the demands of the left if you want to stop losing then. And we demand an end to all aid to genocidal Israel and no corporate campaign donors.

    Otherwise, you can keep losing. You may view Dems as being an obviously-better option than Republicans. I do not, so if you do not convince me otherwise, I literally could not care less if your party continues losing.

    Run better candidates if you want to win. That's how democracies work, right?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (11 children)

    Tell me, what did you actually think would happen to Palestine if Trump won?
    Secondly, of the two (Trump or Harris), which would be more open/vulnerable to political pressure from the left?
    Be honest, use reason, tell the truth.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (10 children)

    The same thing that would happen if Harris won: more death. I imagine Hamas also knows they were not going to win a military victory. The victory to be had for them is, I imagine, a moral one: exposing the moral vacuum at the heart of the American Empire (so Israel included). And in that, they have achieved a massive victory without a doubt.

    It's disgusting that any Palestinian was killed regardless of administration, but that's the pragmatic reality until Israel ceases to exist. So the question has to be how to achieve that, and I think they've made massive strides towards it. And as for America, it's dying all on its own.

    Capitalists are not vulnerable to political pressure from the left because capitalism is inherently contrary to the demands of real leftists. So, my answer to your second question is: neither. And you don't even have to take my word for it: my evidence is Biden refusing to end political aid to Israel and Harris pleading "no change" from that genocidal policy. I mean for fucks sake, Trump even pretended to reschedule cannabis before Biden did!

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (9 children)

    Look, if you truly can't tell the difference in policy between Republicans and Democrats, then yes maybe you shouldn't vote. One can only bring the horse to water.
    I'm just sick of people giving me shit for attempting to stop fascism from taking over my country, when they themselves refuse to lift a finger to do it, people like this mouthbreather telling me "I'm glad you're suffering" when in real life we're all suffering. Like somehow all these people think the suffering the fascists cause is going to be confined to only those of us who voted democrat. So fucking frustrating, I have zero pateince for this shit, especially because the reason this shit is happening is because the left in this country refuses to fucking vote.
    I'm serious. Why did Biden support the genocide? Because leftists refused to vote. Why did Trump send thugs to kidnapp people in the street? Because leftists refuse to vote. Why did Trump cut USID and thereby starve millions of children to death worldwide? Because leftists refused to vote. Why is did Trump invade Iran and start WWIII? Because leftists refuse to vote.
    I just want to see leftists in this country fucking do something instead of standing around acting superior to everyone else.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

    What? I did vote. For Jill Stein.

    Voting for democrats categorically is not "attempting to stop fascism" any more than supporting the Weimar Republic was "attempting to stop Nazism". They're weak, corrupt, feckless, and ineffectual. Their corporate-owned neoliberal politics and suppression of leftwing populism paves the way for fascism's inevitable rise through rightwing populism.

    Didn't read the rest of whatever you said there. I'm not really interested in addressing your Blue MAGA meltdown or reading about how you're sad that people give you shit for supporting an avowed genocidaire.

    You may view Dems as being an obviously-better option than Republicans. I do not, so if you do not convince me otherwise, I literally could not care less if your party continues losing.

    Run better candidates if you want to win. That’s how democracies work, right?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (7 children)

    I did vote. For Jill Stein.

    Which is why Trump is now president. Good job bro.

    Didn’t read the rest of whatever you said there.

    Yeah I'm not suprised. Heaven forbid a leftist acknowledge criticism or some shit. I mean you've read every book on theory that exists so obviously you must be right about everything.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children)
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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (5 children)

    I was right and you were wrong then also.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Strong point, Blue MAGA

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (3 children)

    You think just like a conservative.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    That's an odd way to admit you're less cool than a conservative.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    Look son, you lost. I know it's hard to hear, but you're a loser. What you're doing now is just trying to get the last word is so you don't feel so pathetic.
    Really, you need to come to terms with this about yourself, because if you keep spouting this stupid shit you're going to lose a lot more arguements in the future. Blocking you now. Bye bye.

    P.S. I do this because I know it pisses you off.

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