▲ 1321 ▼ Punish the Democrats, she says (thelemmy.club) submitted 6 months ago by VetOfTheSeas@discuss.online to c/leopardsatemyface@lemmy.world 1084 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (8 children) Gloat harder. You got what you wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (7 children) I am neither gloating, nor is this what I want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (6 children) Then maybe tell me how centrists should change their behavior. So far, all you've said is that the left needs to be kind to the genocide wing no matter what they do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (5 children) The same thing - show kindness and understanding instead of attacking you for "letting Trump win." It would also be great if they made an effort to primary candidates one can vote FOR instead of relying on WBNMW and delaying the inevitable (which, as I said, will likely lead to an even worse Republican presidency. But getting them to vote third party/not at all doesn't seem possible at the moment... because they don't believe something better is possible. See this reply to my comment as an example. And you could try reasoning with them, but... haven't you been trying that already? Unfortunately, most people don't go by reason. Maybe they need to be shown that something better is possible. They need hope in a better future one can pursue. We all do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (4 children) It would also be great if they made an effort to primary candidates one can vote FOR instead of relying on WBNMW and delaying the inevitable (which, as I said, will likely lead to an even worse Republican presidency. Centrists ejected David Hogg from the party for trying to do that. The Democratic Party didn't spend a decade sabotaging the primary process, to the point where they now just expect to appoint a centrist and order everyone to vote for them, just to let the left stroll in with candidates people want to vote for. Maybe they need to be shown that something better is possible. They know something better is possible. They oppose anything better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (3 children) I'm not sure if I said it before, but I'm talking about the voters, not the party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children) You did. I have no faith in the centrist wing of the party. I've talked to too many of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. Yes, there is likely propaganda at play. Unfortunately, outright telling someone they are under influence of propaganda usually only makes it worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. They have faith that they can prevent anything better from happening. So far they've been right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago (7 children) I am neither gloating, nor is this what I want. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (6 children) Then maybe tell me how centrists should change their behavior. So far, all you've said is that the left needs to be kind to the genocide wing no matter what they do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (5 children) The same thing - show kindness and understanding instead of attacking you for "letting Trump win." It would also be great if they made an effort to primary candidates one can vote FOR instead of relying on WBNMW and delaying the inevitable (which, as I said, will likely lead to an even worse Republican presidency. But getting them to vote third party/not at all doesn't seem possible at the moment... because they don't believe something better is possible. See this reply to my comment as an example. And you could try reasoning with them, but... haven't you been trying that already? Unfortunately, most people don't go by reason. Maybe they need to be shown that something better is possible. They need hope in a better future one can pursue. We all do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (4 children) It would also be great if they made an effort to primary candidates one can vote FOR instead of relying on WBNMW and delaying the inevitable (which, as I said, will likely lead to an even worse Republican presidency. Centrists ejected David Hogg from the party for trying to do that. The Democratic Party didn't spend a decade sabotaging the primary process, to the point where they now just expect to appoint a centrist and order everyone to vote for them, just to let the left stroll in with candidates people want to vote for. Maybe they need to be shown that something better is possible. They know something better is possible. They oppose anything better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (3 children) I'm not sure if I said it before, but I'm talking about the voters, not the party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children) You did. I have no faith in the centrist wing of the party. I've talked to too many of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. Yes, there is likely propaganda at play. Unfortunately, outright telling someone they are under influence of propaganda usually only makes it worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. They have faith that they can prevent anything better from happening. So far they've been right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (6 children) Then maybe tell me how centrists should change their behavior. So far, all you've said is that the left needs to be kind to the genocide wing no matter what they do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (5 children) The same thing - show kindness and understanding instead of attacking you for "letting Trump win." It would also be great if they made an effort to primary candidates one can vote FOR instead of relying on WBNMW and delaying the inevitable (which, as I said, will likely lead to an even worse Republican presidency. But getting them to vote third party/not at all doesn't seem possible at the moment... because they don't believe something better is possible. See this reply to my comment as an example. And you could try reasoning with them, but... haven't you been trying that already? Unfortunately, most people don't go by reason. Maybe they need to be shown that something better is possible. They need hope in a better future one can pursue. We all do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (4 children) It would also be great if they made an effort to primary candidates one can vote FOR instead of relying on WBNMW and delaying the inevitable (which, as I said, will likely lead to an even worse Republican presidency. Centrists ejected David Hogg from the party for trying to do that. The Democratic Party didn't spend a decade sabotaging the primary process, to the point where they now just expect to appoint a centrist and order everyone to vote for them, just to let the left stroll in with candidates people want to vote for. Maybe they need to be shown that something better is possible. They know something better is possible. They oppose anything better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (3 children) I'm not sure if I said it before, but I'm talking about the voters, not the party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children) You did. I have no faith in the centrist wing of the party. I've talked to too many of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. Yes, there is likely propaganda at play. Unfortunately, outright telling someone they are under influence of propaganda usually only makes it worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. They have faith that they can prevent anything better from happening. So far they've been right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (5 children) The same thing - show kindness and understanding instead of attacking you for "letting Trump win." It would also be great if they made an effort to primary candidates one can vote FOR instead of relying on WBNMW and delaying the inevitable (which, as I said, will likely lead to an even worse Republican presidency. But getting them to vote third party/not at all doesn't seem possible at the moment... because they don't believe something better is possible. See this reply to my comment as an example. And you could try reasoning with them, but... haven't you been trying that already? Unfortunately, most people don't go by reason. Maybe they need to be shown that something better is possible. They need hope in a better future one can pursue. We all do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (4 children) It would also be great if they made an effort to primary candidates one can vote FOR instead of relying on WBNMW and delaying the inevitable (which, as I said, will likely lead to an even worse Republican presidency. Centrists ejected David Hogg from the party for trying to do that. The Democratic Party didn't spend a decade sabotaging the primary process, to the point where they now just expect to appoint a centrist and order everyone to vote for them, just to let the left stroll in with candidates people want to vote for. Maybe they need to be shown that something better is possible. They know something better is possible. They oppose anything better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (3 children) I'm not sure if I said it before, but I'm talking about the voters, not the party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children) You did. I have no faith in the centrist wing of the party. I've talked to too many of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. Yes, there is likely propaganda at play. Unfortunately, outright telling someone they are under influence of propaganda usually only makes it worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. They have faith that they can prevent anything better from happening. So far they've been right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (4 children) It would also be great if they made an effort to primary candidates one can vote FOR instead of relying on WBNMW and delaying the inevitable (which, as I said, will likely lead to an even worse Republican presidency. Centrists ejected David Hogg from the party for trying to do that. The Democratic Party didn't spend a decade sabotaging the primary process, to the point where they now just expect to appoint a centrist and order everyone to vote for them, just to let the left stroll in with candidates people want to vote for. Maybe they need to be shown that something better is possible. They know something better is possible. They oppose anything better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (3 children) I'm not sure if I said it before, but I'm talking about the voters, not the party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children) You did. I have no faith in the centrist wing of the party. I've talked to too many of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. Yes, there is likely propaganda at play. Unfortunately, outright telling someone they are under influence of propaganda usually only makes it worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. They have faith that they can prevent anything better from happening. So far they've been right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (3 children) I'm not sure if I said it before, but I'm talking about the voters, not the party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children) You did. I have no faith in the centrist wing of the party. I've talked to too many of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. Yes, there is likely propaganda at play. Unfortunately, outright telling someone they are under influence of propaganda usually only makes it worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. They have faith that they can prevent anything better from happening. So far they've been right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children) You did. I have no faith in the centrist wing of the party. I've talked to too many of them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. Yes, there is likely propaganda at play. Unfortunately, outright telling someone they are under influence of propaganda usually only makes it worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. They have faith that they can prevent anything better from happening. So far they've been right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child) And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. Yes, there is likely propaganda at play. Unfortunately, outright telling someone they are under influence of propaganda usually only makes it worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. They have faith that they can prevent anything better from happening. So far they've been right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. They have faith that they can prevent anything better from happening. So far they've been right. permalink fedilink source parent
