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Punish the Democrats, she says (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 10 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

under Trump.

Most of the genocide and leveling of Gaza happened under Biden. But yes it continued under trump. Israel owns both US political parties.

So I dont know why you say "under Trump" -- its the exact same thing under both Trump and Biden. We let Israel do whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want, to whoever they want, funded by us.

Seems you want to pretend Dems are better about it but I dont see how you can contrive any difference between 100% enablement and support.

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    In terms of Palestine? I don’t know how you yanked that interpretation out. If it doesn’t change with either party then the only reason to vote Trump is spite, followed by a leopard eating your faces.

    In terms of everything else? Yes and no. I do know we would not have:

    1. Further rollback of civil liberties of women
    2. a tax plan (impending) intended to trap women in marriage
    3. brown shirt army stalking people and performing street executions
    4. war with Iran
    5. gas prices that will continue to rise long after the war with Iran is done
    6. A rollback on all solar and wind programs / projects
    7. rollback of consumer protections re banks, credit cards, junk fees
    8. halt on internet being made an essential utility
    9. a tax plan that pushes billionaires toward becoming trillionaires
    10. NIOSH gutted, good luck with work safety gear manufactured from here on out
    11. Elections being gutted for midterms via the US postal service
    12. Speech, now, you can’t even protest Israel without being arrested or booted.
    13. Impending collapse of the dollar
    14. Cuba
    15. All those dead fishermen in South American waters
    16. Further privacy erosion in favor of Google, META, Microsoft, etc
    17. Disrespect and disenfranchising military vets, like Kelly and all the randomly expelled career generals in an attempt to make the military another brown shirt brigade
    18. And I’m sick of listing this crap.

    Arguably, 9 & 16 would probably still happen, but in slower subtler ways. The rest? Every spite vote or lack thereof made it happen.

    I don’t like our two party system. But unless you have an actual solution that fixes it at the time of an election, then the spite play does indeed hurt all.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    I've given up on changing republicans. We should either change the dems, or burn our entire government to the ground without much delay. Those are our options. Changing Dems means setting boundaries and sticking to them. And boundaries cant be only around during the primary. Dems either adhere to universal human rights for all or they lose in every way I can make them lose, thats my deal with them, they can take it or leave it-- I dont care if they -- or you like it. Its not asking for much. and I'm willing to burn the democratic party and our stupid governmental system to the ground to get it, just like the zionists and their creatures are willing to do.

    You want to wave a stack of lesser causes and pretend they compare at all to genocide? stuff like:

    halt on internet being made an essential utility

    oh my. You weigh that list of comparatively trivial bullshit against genocide of hundreds of thousands of innocents, journalist, and doctors huh. Well I think they dont even begin to compare, and it doesnt speak well of you that you'd even try to compare them. Kind of disgusting and self centered. Oh no, your gas is more expensive? You poor dear. This is "killing" you, I can tell. You're basically being "genocided" by high gas prices and the internet not being considered a public utility arent you. Why cant you just stand up firmly for universal human dignity and human rights? Would that be so bad?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    I think most republicans aren’t as locked into their beliefs as we have been made to believe, tbh. If they can change their opinions to match that of their leader, they have a fairly pliable belief system. I feel they are more likely to realign themselves for a leader that they see as a populist is the thing. So even a populist on the other side of the aisle would sway many of the Right’s current followers, since they’d be making promises for getting things done and giving them a proverbial backpat about it.

    I think the wind is already blowing for a changed Democratic Party, it’s a wind that’s been blowing since Bernie really, but the old guard Baby Boomers have been in power for quite a while now. Demographics have been slowly changing so that the Baby Boomers don’t make up as much of the majority of voters anymore, so more progressive stances can take root.

    Changing Dems is about focusing electing politicians that mirror the values you have more than anything. Promoting a different voting system that enables these more progressive voices would go a long ways towards getting them in office as well.

    Functionally, it’s not possible to ‘start over’ so it’s smart to work within the space that we do have and make real change where it is possible to do so. Convincing people to change their stances is hard work, and the way power is split in a country as big as the US complicates things even further. Educating newer generations about why changes matters is important, and educating them about logical things they can do to build a better system, which does put human rights for all as top priority, should be a top focus.

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