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[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 61 points 3 years ago* (16 children)

It's funny how people always use play it like "oh, it's just differing opinions" when what they're actually defending is indefensible malarkey like nazis and tankies. They know if they made a meme saying we should "try to understand" nazis and tankies, they'd be downvoted to oblivion. And so they hide behind a shield of "differing opinions".

These cretins have a right to post nazi and tankie shit on their own instances -- them's the beauty of the fediverse. But I also have a right to not want hate speech, genocide denial, and Hitler/Stalin/Mao simps polluting my feed. It's not mere "differing opinions" when one person's opinion is "Holodomor didn't happen, and if it did, the Ukrainians deserved it" or "Holocaust didn't happen, and if it did, the Jews deserved it" or whatever apologia they wanna peddle.

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[–] yukichigai@kbin.social 27 points 3 years ago

It’s funny how people always use play it like “oh, it’s just differing opinions” when what they’re actually defending is indefensible malarkey like nazis and tankies. They know if they made a meme saying we should “try to understand” nazis and tankies, they’d be downvoted to oblivion. And so they hide behind a shield of “differing opinions”.

There's an actual term for this: Motte and Bailey. One of many hallmarks of disingenuous shitbirds.

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[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 3 years ago

Preaching facts right here friend

I bloody hate fascist

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[+] ImmortanStalin@lemmygrad.ml -6 points 3 years ago (13 children)

Another horseshoe theory take... Last I checked the "tankies" saved everyone from the Nazis. Let's equate genocidal/colonial violence to defend capital, with the efforts to establish socialism. LOL

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[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

Tankies != communists

Tankies are the insufferable fascists who take on a red aesthetic. There are plenty of great leftists, commies, and progressives who don't deny the Uyghur genocide or Holodomor or simp for Russia and the CCP. I'm not a communist myself (nor am I a capitalist for that matter), but I've got nothing against non-tankie communists aside from economic disagreements. Tankies I do have issue with, as should anyone who gives a rat's ass about the working class and basic human rights.

Also, lol at that Stalin profile pic. Literally fetishizing a genocidal dictator who betrayed the working class and murdered millions of innocents.

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[+] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[–] wombatula@lemm.ee 8 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Yes the angry internet trolls on Hexbear saved everyone from the Nazis, thank you Hexbear for winning WW2 for the world what would we ever do without them.

You realize that to someone that isn't a terminally online political extremist you sound like those dumb Americans that try and claim the moon landing as their own accomplishment right? Your pasty ass has nothing to do with the brave soldiers that fought the Nazis, and I doubt those badasses would think much of some kid screaming into a computer about why liberals are bad.

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[–] scbasteve7@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (3 children)

Oppressive nations tend to have powerful armies.

Nobody is defuting that the USSR fought off the Nazis and had the biggest hand in their destruction.

But just because they fought a great evil, doesnt mean they were " the good guys". It just means they fought a great evil.

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[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

But just because they fought a great evil, doesnt mean they were " the good guys". It just means they fought a great evil.

Exactly! You can't just divide the world into "fought against the Nazis" and "didn't fight against the Nazis" and use that as your entire basis of morality. By that same logic, America is the Good Guys™ and has absolutely zero neo-Nazi problems because they destroyed Imperial Japan and fought against the Nazis, right?

It's completely possible to fight against the Nazis and still be evil yourself (cough cough Stalin), or the reverse where the Finns technically cooperated with the Nazis, but only because the USSR was literally doing a colonialism against Finland and the Nazis happened to be the only ones fighting the USSR at the time.

Morality and history are not black and white, despite these lemmygrad users' naked attempts to coerce them into being such.

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[–] Tar_alcaran@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago

"Better than Hitler" is really, REALLY not a great flex

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[–] Someonelol@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 years ago

Careful where you speak such truths friend, the Pronoun Patrol would've thrown you to the gulags if it was in their instance.

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[–] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago

Found the tankie

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[–] meldroc@lemmy.world -4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Oh look, tankie horseshit. How many millions died as a result of "efforts to establish socialism"? So why don't you shove that disingenuous bullshit up your ass.

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[–] ImmortanStalin@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 3 years ago

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[–] Someonelol@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Last I checked the "tankies" signed a non-aggression pact with the Nazis and only became a reluctant ally because they were betrayed.

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in Europe. U.S.-Soviet relations reached their nadir in August 1939, when the Soviets signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with Nazi Germany after the British and French rejected Soviet offers to establish a military alliance against Germany.

[–] ImmortanStalin@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 years ago (1 child)

If you follow your own link to a list of non-aggression pacts, Wikipedia lists 9 of them, most predating the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Other countries were signing these pacts with Nazi Germany. Not to mention the USSR attempted to create alliances with other European powers, but was rejected. The writing was on the wall that war was heading their way..

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[–] Someonelol@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 years ago*

I can't read the first link as it's behind a paywall. The second link talked about how Roosevelt tried to establish cordial relations with the Soviet Union but was hampered by their refusal to acknowledge debts owed by the Tsarist government, refusal to stop spreading propaganda within the US, and the killing of Leningrad Communist party boss Sergey Kirov which " launched the first of the “Great Purges” that led to the death or imprisonment of millions of Soviet citizens as the Stalinist regime liquidated any potential critics of the government. The wide scope and public nature of the purges horrified both American diplomatic personnel stationed in the Soviet Union, and the world at large."

Gee I wonder why the USSR had such a tough go at getting allies...

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[–] Norgur@kbin.social 29 points 3 years ago (8 children)

HiTlEr WaSn'T aLl BaD

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[–] gullible@kbin.social 30 points 3 years ago (4 children)

Hitler wasn’t all bad. After all, he did kill Hitler.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 29 points 3 years ago (3 children)

Only a good Hitler with a gun can stop a bad Hitler doing genocide.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 12 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Well, the Red Army did that.

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[–] meldroc@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Just ignore the genocides perpetuated by the Soviets...

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 2 points 3 years ago

If you want to ignore that for some reason you can, but the point is it wasn't Hitler that stopped Hitler from commiting genocide. It was losing the war.

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[+] scbasteve7@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

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[–] jarfil@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 years ago

He didn't even want to kill all those people, he only wanted to exploit them and then deport everyone to Africa... but the Allies wouldn't let him conquer enough Africa for all of them, so what was he to do? Killing then wasn't even his idea, it was Reinhardt's! He just signed it...

(do I put an /s? it's historically correct...)

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[–] yukichigai@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago

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[–] Enkrod@feddit.de 20 points 3 years ago*

I've been successfully reporting troll-accounts and got them banned, I've blocked entire communities (mostly some niche-nsfw communities, so they don't turn up in my local feed on my lemmynsfw.com-account). And I've found most community-moderators reeeeeeaaaaally don't like fascists on their turf and if you see something and report something, most will get the boot.

This meme presents a false choice, defederation is not the only sane reason to choose (because understanding and/or engaging nazis is decidedly not sane).

Once an entire instance is gone though... defederate like there's no tomorrow.

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[–] UraniumBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Right.... So thinking that the Tzar's invasion of Ukraine is unjustified is Nazi shit. Thinking that the Holodomor was a genocide is Nazi shit. Cuz that's what ur tankie buddies called me. This is what OP was referencing to.

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