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Dutch residents will have to ditch their cars for sustainable transport system (nltimes.nl)
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To build a fully climate-neutral transport system in the Netherlands, many citizens will have to give up their cars, Jan Willem Eirsman, the government’s new chief climate adviser as chairman of the Scientific Climate Council, told the AD.

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[–] 7 points 3 years ago (11 children)

Yes of course long term we will need to get rid of privately owned (but not shared) cars, but time is far in the future. Even here in NL the infrastructure just isn't there for it. Yet.

And we have no real government at the moment, and god help us with the elections coming up.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (8 children)

    I enjoy driving, sightseeing, going on mountain roads. I don't see public transport ever offering that.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    Which is why shared cars as opposed to everyone or every household owning one makes sense. You'll be more thoughtful of when you need it rather than using it because it's always there.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (6 children)

    This creates availability issues for me and demand of cars issues for the market which translate immediately in loss of jobs for those who work in the sector, even mechanics and the ones who change your tires. Also the sentence "you'll be more thoughtful of when you need it" doesn't make sense. If I need it and it's not there what am I supposed to do? Oh, well I should have thought about it. How could I know when I needed it? And I'm not too fond of people in general. Having some stranger drive my, ehm, our car? No.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    I love statements like this. It's basically someone just deciding that gravity is inconvenient, so it won't apply to them.

    The world is on fire dude, and the only way it doesn't get worse (we're not even talking about fixing it at this point) is to dramatically change the way we live. Private car ownership is a big part of that. Your preference for living in a way incompatible with life on the planet does not entitle you to it.

    But here's the good news: you can still have a private car. You can even live in a distant suburb and the car can run on gasoline... but you're going to have to pay for it. And you're going to pay the actual cost to society for that preference, so it's going to be very, very expensive.

    Or you know, you can just take the train and plan your roadtrip holidays in advance.

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  • [+] -6 points 3 years ago*

    Let's share everything then: PCs, pianos, houses. No, a car is something too personal to be shared. I smoke, the stranger doesn't what happens? Or vice versa. He breaks the car who pays? Legal disputes. I need the car he's using it, what am I to do? It can work for workers from the same office. One car brings 4, it's ok. Other than that, forget about it. Not to mention the economics at play. A whole industry would collapse. If there's something I learned in this life is that money comes before everything else. Trying to save this planet as I watch more and more people install AC in their house is hilarious. Colder for you, hotter for everyone else. And the planet. We'll never save ourselves. There'll be harsh selection. And lastly, if even EVs are a problem I dunno what else to try. Public transport doesn't get everywhere, it never will, so it's not a solution. Oh, and we're not talking about gravity.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Mechanics are going to be downsized with all the EV sales anyway. They just don't need as much maintenance. I have had a Chevy Bolt since 2018. I haven't had any routine maintenance, and I've just had to take the thing to the dealership once for a major recall, where they just flashed the BIOS. Admittedly, I don't drive near as much as I used to, I've only put 60,000 miles on the ODO so far.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago

    That leaves out a ton of people from dealerships to engineers, from body repairs shops to carwashes, from manufacture to after market components. And we've got two cars per household. Let's see how it goes with a quarter or less that. No.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The sharing concept is more like a Uber type deal, there is always a car available sort of thing. It's not really a sharing with a neighbor or family member type thing where you are SOL if the shared car is not in your driveway.

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