▲ 2039 ▼ GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating systems — group says it will never require personal information (www.tomshardware.com) submitted 5 months ago by throws_lemy@reddthat.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 224 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] versionc@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (1 child) You can get a pixel in the "a" series for a lot cheaper than the main series or pro. I always run them and they last forever. For example a pixel 8a is just under $400 full price. Graphene also runs better than android due to lack of bloat, so you won't notice the lower specs quite as much. Graphene is probably overkill for a simple (commercial) privacy use case but it seems to be the best for confounding google and also stability. So that's why so many people use it. And there's not much in terms of downsides. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] versionc@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago For my use case, the Pixel 10 doesn't offer enough over the 9a to make the extra cost worth it for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago I actually don't know a lot about those models. They last so long I tend to skip a few models at a time, and only bought my pixel 8a about 6 mths ago. So there's been no need to research. I'm sure there's some good reviews or spec comparisons online. They tend to be excellent phones though. I'm a tech snob but also a cheap bastard and they always fall into that middle part of the Venn diagram. permalink fedilink source parent [–] blackbeans@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 months ago (1 child) Depends on your angle. The Pixel is a good phone and the OS works well, but it is a Google device. A growing minority wants to avoid investing in US big corp, or in anything US related in general given the current political situation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] versionc@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nooch@lemmy.vg 3 points 5 months ago If I had to change phones now, I'd get a second-hand/refurbished Pixel and wait until the motorola devices take on. Fairphone is nice but lacks in security. The high price is only because of the "fair" small-scale production, the specs are quite mid for the price. I say this as a fp owner, I'm happy but if I had to choose again I'd go about it differently. permalink fedilink source parent [–] utopiah@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago Using a 2nd hand Pixel 8 I got for 180 EUR running GrapheneOS, daily driving it since I received it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) Adding to the noise: don't forget that Graphene discontinues support for older devices as well, although the 10 is not one of them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago It discontinues support on my phone the same month google does, so that support ends either way. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 6 points 5 months ago* I'd concur with the other commenters here and recommend getting a second hand Pixel device. I was a lifelong iOS user until they walked back their end-to-end encryption, jumped ship to using a second hand Pixel 8 Pro I got on eBay, installed GrapheneOS immediately, never even experienced stock Android. After a bit of an adjustment period, I'm very happy with my choice. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tiefkuehlkost@feddit.org 6 points 5 months ago Got a Pixel 8a, i love it. Its fast, clean and customizable the phones have good technical specs and price/value for the a series is great. In one year i only had two complications. One App i use hates the sandboxing and is lagging/freezing. I once had a broken update that bricked the phone until i sideloaded a newer update from pc. But its much less compromises / work then using a linux phone. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RazWasTaken@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago I did this. Pixel 10 pro. Works great. Did it for my previous 2 pixels as well. Feel free to ask about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aralakh@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) Can recommend the Pixel, after my 7 pro XL went to shit I've picked up a 10 pro w/ GrapheneOS - way better experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] versionc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aralakh@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago You're welcome! Like others have said, look for a second-hand one or as in my case, if you can find a new one through a private seller. Rather not directly support Google either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kadotux@sopuli.xyz 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) As a Fairphone 4 user, I've been quite happy with it for a few years. Could you elaborate what you deem the cons to be? (I'm not gonna argue, just curious) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tiefkuehlkost@feddit.org 2 points 5 months ago* Fairphone is a good project but i have three reasons to prefer Pixel/Graphen. Fairphones are big/chunky i like smaller one handed phones that fit well in pockets the pixel a series is alreddy on the big end for me, the form of the samsung s10e was peak. The price value in pure hardware specs of pixels a series is just better. Graphen > Lineage if you want to sandbox / emulate play services for certein games, banking apps, etc. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BigTwerp@feddit.uk 0 points 5 months ago* (1 child) The $700 you give Google for a pixel is only going to erode your privacy further and personally I wouldn't trust any device made by them, regardless of the OS. Edit to say you are basically just rewarding their behaviour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] versionc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nooch@lemmy.vg 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Just get a refurbished/second hand one, many are as good as new permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] versionc@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BigTwerp@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I think Fair phone with eos is the "least evil" option but you won't be able to use most banking apps or contactless payment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ADTJ@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago* you can use contactless payment with Curve Pay Banking app probably depends on the app permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (1 child) You can get a pixel in the "a" series for a lot cheaper than the main series or pro. I always run them and they last forever. For example a pixel 8a is just under $400 full price. Graphene also runs better than android due to lack of bloat, so you won't notice the lower specs quite as much. Graphene is probably overkill for a simple (commercial) privacy use case but it seems to be the best for confounding google and also stability. So that's why so many people use it. And there's not much in terms of downsides. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] versionc@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago For my use case, the Pixel 10 doesn't offer enough over the 9a to make the extra cost worth it for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago I actually don't know a lot about those models. They last so long I tend to skip a few models at a time, and only bought my pixel 8a about 6 mths ago. So there's been no need to research. I'm sure there's some good reviews or spec comparisons online. They tend to be excellent phones though. I'm a tech snob but also a cheap bastard and they always fall into that middle part of the Venn diagram. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] versionc@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago For my use case, the Pixel 10 doesn't offer enough over the 9a to make the extra cost worth it for me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago I actually don't know a lot about those models. They last so long I tend to skip a few models at a time, and only bought my pixel 8a about 6 mths ago. So there's been no need to research. I'm sure there's some good reviews or spec comparisons online. They tend to be excellent phones though. I'm a tech snob but also a cheap bastard and they always fall into that middle part of the Venn diagram. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago For my use case, the Pixel 10 doesn't offer enough over the 9a to make the extra cost worth it for me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago I actually don't know a lot about those models. They last so long I tend to skip a few models at a time, and only bought my pixel 8a about 6 mths ago. So there's been no need to research. I'm sure there's some good reviews or spec comparisons online. They tend to be excellent phones though. I'm a tech snob but also a cheap bastard and they always fall into that middle part of the Venn diagram. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] blackbeans@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 months ago (1 child) Depends on your angle. The Pixel is a good phone and the OS works well, but it is a Google device. A growing minority wants to avoid investing in US big corp, or in anything US related in general given the current political situation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] versionc@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nooch@lemmy.vg 3 points 5 months ago If I had to change phones now, I'd get a second-hand/refurbished Pixel and wait until the motorola devices take on. Fairphone is nice but lacks in security. The high price is only because of the "fair" small-scale production, the specs are quite mid for the price. I say this as a fp owner, I'm happy but if I had to choose again I'd go about it differently. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] versionc@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nooch@lemmy.vg 3 points 5 months ago If I had to change phones now, I'd get a second-hand/refurbished Pixel and wait until the motorola devices take on. Fairphone is nice but lacks in security. The high price is only because of the "fair" small-scale production, the specs are quite mid for the price. I say this as a fp owner, I'm happy but if I had to choose again I'd go about it differently. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nooch@lemmy.vg 3 points 5 months ago If I had to change phones now, I'd get a second-hand/refurbished Pixel and wait until the motorola devices take on. Fairphone is nice but lacks in security. The high price is only because of the "fair" small-scale production, the specs are quite mid for the price. I say this as a fp owner, I'm happy but if I had to choose again I'd go about it differently. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago Using a 2nd hand Pixel 8 I got for 180 EUR running GrapheneOS, daily driving it since I received it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 months ago (1 child) Adding to the noise: don't forget that Graphene discontinues support for older devices as well, although the 10 is not one of them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago It discontinues support on my phone the same month google does, so that support ends either way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkRome@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago It discontinues support on my phone the same month google does, so that support ends either way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bearboiblake@pawb.social 6 points 5 months ago* I'd concur with the other commenters here and recommend getting a second hand Pixel device. I was a lifelong iOS user until they walked back their end-to-end encryption, jumped ship to using a second hand Pixel 8 Pro I got on eBay, installed GrapheneOS immediately, never even experienced stock Android. After a bit of an adjustment period, I'm very happy with my choice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tiefkuehlkost@feddit.org 6 points 5 months ago Got a Pixel 8a, i love it. Its fast, clean and customizable the phones have good technical specs and price/value for the a series is great. In one year i only had two complications. One App i use hates the sandboxing and is lagging/freezing. I once had a broken update that bricked the phone until i sideloaded a newer update from pc. But its much less compromises / work then using a linux phone. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RazWasTaken@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 months ago I did this. Pixel 10 pro. Works great. Did it for my previous 2 pixels as well. Feel free to ask about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aralakh@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child) Can recommend the Pixel, after my 7 pro XL went to shit I've picked up a 10 pro w/ GrapheneOS - way better experience. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] versionc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aralakh@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago You're welcome! Like others have said, look for a second-hand one or as in my case, if you can find a new one through a private seller. Rather not directly support Google either. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] versionc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aralakh@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago You're welcome! Like others have said, look for a second-hand one or as in my case, if you can find a new one through a private seller. Rather not directly support Google either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aralakh@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago You're welcome! Like others have said, look for a second-hand one or as in my case, if you can find a new one through a private seller. Rather not directly support Google either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kadotux@sopuli.xyz 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) As a Fairphone 4 user, I've been quite happy with it for a few years. Could you elaborate what you deem the cons to be? (I'm not gonna argue, just curious) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tiefkuehlkost@feddit.org 2 points 5 months ago* Fairphone is a good project but i have three reasons to prefer Pixel/Graphen. Fairphones are big/chunky i like smaller one handed phones that fit well in pockets the pixel a series is alreddy on the big end for me, the form of the samsung s10e was peak. The price value in pure hardware specs of pixels a series is just better. Graphen > Lineage if you want to sandbox / emulate play services for certein games, banking apps, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tiefkuehlkost@feddit.org 2 points 5 months ago* Fairphone is a good project but i have three reasons to prefer Pixel/Graphen. Fairphones are big/chunky i like smaller one handed phones that fit well in pockets the pixel a series is alreddy on the big end for me, the form of the samsung s10e was peak. The price value in pure hardware specs of pixels a series is just better. Graphen > Lineage if you want to sandbox / emulate play services for certein games, banking apps, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BigTwerp@feddit.uk 0 points 5 months ago* (1 child) The $700 you give Google for a pixel is only going to erode your privacy further and personally I wouldn't trust any device made by them, regardless of the OS. Edit to say you are basically just rewarding their behaviour. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] versionc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nooch@lemmy.vg 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Just get a refurbished/second hand one, many are as good as new permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] versionc@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BigTwerp@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I think Fair phone with eos is the "least evil" option but you won't be able to use most banking apps or contactless payment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ADTJ@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago* you can use contactless payment with Curve Pay Banking app probably depends on the app permalink fedilink source parent
[+] versionc@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nooch@lemmy.vg 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Just get a refurbished/second hand one, many are as good as new permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] versionc@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] BigTwerp@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I think Fair phone with eos is the "least evil" option but you won't be able to use most banking apps or contactless payment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ADTJ@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago* you can use contactless payment with Curve Pay Banking app probably depends on the app permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nooch@lemmy.vg 2 points 5 months ago (1 child) Just get a refurbished/second hand one, many are as good as new permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] versionc@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] versionc@lemmy.world 1 point 5 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BigTwerp@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago (1 child) I think Fair phone with eos is the "least evil" option but you won't be able to use most banking apps or contactless payment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ADTJ@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago* you can use contactless payment with Curve Pay Banking app probably depends on the app permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ADTJ@feddit.uk 1 point 5 months ago* you can use contactless payment with Curve Pay Banking app probably depends on the app permalink fedilink source parent