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[+] GraveyardOrbit@lemmy.zip 16 points 6 months ago (14 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] anticurrent@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) I understand the concern, and I find it fishy that the matrix team didn't try to address that (maybe they did but I just didn't come across that) but on the other hand many governments and ministries like the French MOD have deployed matrix locally for their private use. not sure they want to use a software that the mossad can directly tap into permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) French MOD have deployed matrix locally for their private usage. not sure they want to use a software that the mossad can directly tap into I wouldn't put any stock into that as a metric of if it's safe or not, since Spain and Germany were happy to [buy a contract for Pegasus, another Israeli surveillance software adopted widely by EU governments. The Netherlands is another suspected user. EU governments were also happy to adopt Microsoft products despite the security implications, and even way back in the 80's used Promis, which had a known US/Israeli backdoor in it (there's a really great documentary about Promis on netflix, surprisingly, though I'd recommend sailing to watch it, yarr). permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago (11 children) So should some of Lemmy's, and yet here we are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 10 points 6 months ago (6 children) There is no known state or corporate connection to Lemmy or Piefed, unlike Matrix. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago (5 children) Yep, and yet almost anyone who has spent any time on Lemmy knows what I'm referring to (whether they recognize it and do so as a problem is another matter) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] No_Maines_Land@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago I have no idea what you are referring too, but I only look at my subscribed communities, so I have no idea what's going on in the "Lemmy meta." Being able to only see the communities I subscribe too is one of my three primary reasons for coming here. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children) The developer's politics vs suspecting a platform may be developed and compromised by state actors are on an entirely different level. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children) It goes beyond politics into flagrantly lying about moderation actions to push narratives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Depends on who you ask. It's managing risks for me either way. Also, you are literally comparing them while claiming they are not comparable. This is like another version of the age-old "Grammar Nazi" disagreement over one definition over other, when there are actually multiple ones - except in this case, it involves a value judgement. You are right, but so am I, because either would have been a death sentence for me - if it didn't provide benefits I was willing to manage risks for (what I was implying as the subcontext). You are not me, you are right they are not the same, and it matters or doesn't really matter for those whom both would have been a death sentence. If you are being consistent, I assume that you do not and will never use Matrix, while I still would. I'll just have to be really careful and keep it limited so Mossad does not come over to assassinate me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] exu@feditown.com 2 points 6 months ago (3 children) Tbf, there were no alternatives at the time when most people moved here. Now there is one with Piefed, I really should move my server. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago I maybe too tired to read this thread with all the people implying things and not saying anything straight... I'm very confused, can you maybe let me in on the big secret? Who did what? Lemmy creator/admin? I have no idea what is everyone talking about lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) It seems like an option, but gonna say, having seen some of their biggest contributors try to push people into switching communities over to those moderated by community hoarders also heavily into anarcho-marxism politics - not really getting rid of the problem, are we. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago As someone who identifies as an Anarcho-Syndaclist, I'd kindly ask you not to lump Anarchists in with the Marxist-Leninists. Historically, Anarchists usually get fucked over by MLs just as frequently, if not more so, as by capitalists. Every Anarchist I've had interactions with here has been either pretty vocal about opposition to the political and moral leanings of the people you're referring to, or think anarchist sounds better than Marxist-Leninist, but actually hold to the ideals of the latter not the former. 👍Cheers permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anticurrent@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) I understand the concern, and I find it fishy that the matrix team didn't try to address that (maybe they did but I just didn't come across that) but on the other hand many governments and ministries like the French MOD have deployed matrix locally for their private use. not sure they want to use a software that the mossad can directly tap into permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) French MOD have deployed matrix locally for their private usage. not sure they want to use a software that the mossad can directly tap into I wouldn't put any stock into that as a metric of if it's safe or not, since Spain and Germany were happy to [buy a contract for Pegasus, another Israeli surveillance software adopted widely by EU governments. The Netherlands is another suspected user. EU governments were also happy to adopt Microsoft products despite the security implications, and even way back in the 80's used Promis, which had a known US/Israeli backdoor in it (there's a really great documentary about Promis on netflix, surprisingly, though I'd recommend sailing to watch it, yarr). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) French MOD have deployed matrix locally for their private usage. not sure they want to use a software that the mossad can directly tap into I wouldn't put any stock into that as a metric of if it's safe or not, since Spain and Germany were happy to [buy a contract for Pegasus, another Israeli surveillance software adopted widely by EU governments. The Netherlands is another suspected user. EU governments were also happy to adopt Microsoft products despite the security implications, and even way back in the 80's used Promis, which had a known US/Israeli backdoor in it (there's a really great documentary about Promis on netflix, surprisingly, though I'd recommend sailing to watch it, yarr). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago (11 children) So should some of Lemmy's, and yet here we are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 10 points 6 months ago (6 children) There is no known state or corporate connection to Lemmy or Piefed, unlike Matrix. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago (5 children) Yep, and yet almost anyone who has spent any time on Lemmy knows what I'm referring to (whether they recognize it and do so as a problem is another matter) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] No_Maines_Land@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago I have no idea what you are referring too, but I only look at my subscribed communities, so I have no idea what's going on in the "Lemmy meta." Being able to only see the communities I subscribe too is one of my three primary reasons for coming here. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children) The developer's politics vs suspecting a platform may be developed and compromised by state actors are on an entirely different level. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children) It goes beyond politics into flagrantly lying about moderation actions to push narratives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Depends on who you ask. It's managing risks for me either way. Also, you are literally comparing them while claiming they are not comparable. This is like another version of the age-old "Grammar Nazi" disagreement over one definition over other, when there are actually multiple ones - except in this case, it involves a value judgement. You are right, but so am I, because either would have been a death sentence for me - if it didn't provide benefits I was willing to manage risks for (what I was implying as the subcontext). You are not me, you are right they are not the same, and it matters or doesn't really matter for those whom both would have been a death sentence. If you are being consistent, I assume that you do not and will never use Matrix, while I still would. I'll just have to be really careful and keep it limited so Mossad does not come over to assassinate me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] exu@feditown.com 2 points 6 months ago (3 children) Tbf, there were no alternatives at the time when most people moved here. Now there is one with Piefed, I really should move my server. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago I maybe too tired to read this thread with all the people implying things and not saying anything straight... I'm very confused, can you maybe let me in on the big secret? Who did what? Lemmy creator/admin? I have no idea what is everyone talking about lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) It seems like an option, but gonna say, having seen some of their biggest contributors try to push people into switching communities over to those moderated by community hoarders also heavily into anarcho-marxism politics - not really getting rid of the problem, are we. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago As someone who identifies as an Anarcho-Syndaclist, I'd kindly ask you not to lump Anarchists in with the Marxist-Leninists. Historically, Anarchists usually get fucked over by MLs just as frequently, if not more so, as by capitalists. Every Anarchist I've had interactions with here has been either pretty vocal about opposition to the political and moral leanings of the people you're referring to, or think anarchist sounds better than Marxist-Leninist, but actually hold to the ideals of the latter not the former. 👍Cheers permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 10 points 6 months ago (6 children) There is no known state or corporate connection to Lemmy or Piefed, unlike Matrix. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago (5 children) Yep, and yet almost anyone who has spent any time on Lemmy knows what I'm referring to (whether they recognize it and do so as a problem is another matter) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] No_Maines_Land@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago I have no idea what you are referring too, but I only look at my subscribed communities, so I have no idea what's going on in the "Lemmy meta." Being able to only see the communities I subscribe too is one of my three primary reasons for coming here. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children) The developer's politics vs suspecting a platform may be developed and compromised by state actors are on an entirely different level. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children) It goes beyond politics into flagrantly lying about moderation actions to push narratives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Depends on who you ask. It's managing risks for me either way. Also, you are literally comparing them while claiming they are not comparable. This is like another version of the age-old "Grammar Nazi" disagreement over one definition over other, when there are actually multiple ones - except in this case, it involves a value judgement. You are right, but so am I, because either would have been a death sentence for me - if it didn't provide benefits I was willing to manage risks for (what I was implying as the subcontext). You are not me, you are right they are not the same, and it matters or doesn't really matter for those whom both would have been a death sentence. If you are being consistent, I assume that you do not and will never use Matrix, while I still would. I'll just have to be really careful and keep it limited so Mossad does not come over to assassinate me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago (5 children) Yep, and yet almost anyone who has spent any time on Lemmy knows what I'm referring to (whether they recognize it and do so as a problem is another matter) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] No_Maines_Land@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago I have no idea what you are referring too, but I only look at my subscribed communities, so I have no idea what's going on in the "Lemmy meta." Being able to only see the communities I subscribe too is one of my three primary reasons for coming here. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children) The developer's politics vs suspecting a platform may be developed and compromised by state actors are on an entirely different level. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children) It goes beyond politics into flagrantly lying about moderation actions to push narratives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Depends on who you ask. It's managing risks for me either way. Also, you are literally comparing them while claiming they are not comparable. This is like another version of the age-old "Grammar Nazi" disagreement over one definition over other, when there are actually multiple ones - except in this case, it involves a value judgement. You are right, but so am I, because either would have been a death sentence for me - if it didn't provide benefits I was willing to manage risks for (what I was implying as the subcontext). You are not me, you are right they are not the same, and it matters or doesn't really matter for those whom both would have been a death sentence. If you are being consistent, I assume that you do not and will never use Matrix, while I still would. I'll just have to be really careful and keep it limited so Mossad does not come over to assassinate me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] No_Maines_Land@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago I have no idea what you are referring too, but I only look at my subscribed communities, so I have no idea what's going on in the "Lemmy meta." Being able to only see the communities I subscribe too is one of my three primary reasons for coming here. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children) The developer's politics vs suspecting a platform may be developed and compromised by state actors are on an entirely different level. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children) It goes beyond politics into flagrantly lying about moderation actions to push narratives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Depends on who you ask. It's managing risks for me either way. Also, you are literally comparing them while claiming they are not comparable. This is like another version of the age-old "Grammar Nazi" disagreement over one definition over other, when there are actually multiple ones - except in this case, it involves a value judgement. You are right, but so am I, because either would have been a death sentence for me - if it didn't provide benefits I was willing to manage risks for (what I was implying as the subcontext). You are not me, you are right they are not the same, and it matters or doesn't really matter for those whom both would have been a death sentence. If you are being consistent, I assume that you do not and will never use Matrix, while I still would. I'll just have to be really careful and keep it limited so Mossad does not come over to assassinate me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago* (2 children) It goes beyond politics into flagrantly lying about moderation actions to push narratives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Depends on who you ask. It's managing risks for me either way. Also, you are literally comparing them while claiming they are not comparable. This is like another version of the age-old "Grammar Nazi" disagreement over one definition over other, when there are actually multiple ones - except in this case, it involves a value judgement. You are right, but so am I, because either would have been a death sentence for me - if it didn't provide benefits I was willing to manage risks for (what I was implying as the subcontext). You are not me, you are right they are not the same, and it matters or doesn't really matter for those whom both would have been a death sentence. If you are being consistent, I assume that you do not and will never use Matrix, while I still would. I'll just have to be really careful and keep it limited so Mossad does not come over to assassinate me. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Depends on who you ask. It's managing risks for me either way. Also, you are literally comparing them while claiming they are not comparable. This is like another version of the age-old "Grammar Nazi" disagreement over one definition over other, when there are actually multiple ones - except in this case, it involves a value judgement. You are right, but so am I, because either would have been a death sentence for me - if it didn't provide benefits I was willing to manage risks for (what I was implying as the subcontext). You are not me, you are right they are not the same, and it matters or doesn't really matter for those whom both would have been a death sentence. If you are being consistent, I assume that you do not and will never use Matrix, while I still would. I'll just have to be really careful and keep it limited so Mossad does not come over to assassinate me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) Depends on who you ask. It's managing risks for me either way. Also, you are literally comparing them while claiming they are not comparable. This is like another version of the age-old "Grammar Nazi" disagreement over one definition over other, when there are actually multiple ones - except in this case, it involves a value judgement. You are right, but so am I, because either would have been a death sentence for me - if it didn't provide benefits I was willing to manage risks for (what I was implying as the subcontext). You are not me, you are right they are not the same, and it matters or doesn't really matter for those whom both would have been a death sentence. If you are being consistent, I assume that you do not and will never use Matrix, while I still would. I'll just have to be really careful and keep it limited so Mossad does not come over to assassinate me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] exu@feditown.com 2 points 6 months ago (3 children) Tbf, there were no alternatives at the time when most people moved here. Now there is one with Piefed, I really should move my server. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago I maybe too tired to read this thread with all the people implying things and not saying anything straight... I'm very confused, can you maybe let me in on the big secret? Who did what? Lemmy creator/admin? I have no idea what is everyone talking about lol permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) It seems like an option, but gonna say, having seen some of their biggest contributors try to push people into switching communities over to those moderated by community hoarders also heavily into anarcho-marxism politics - not really getting rid of the problem, are we. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago As someone who identifies as an Anarcho-Syndaclist, I'd kindly ask you not to lump Anarchists in with the Marxist-Leninists. Historically, Anarchists usually get fucked over by MLs just as frequently, if not more so, as by capitalists. Every Anarchist I've had interactions with here has been either pretty vocal about opposition to the political and moral leanings of the people you're referring to, or think anarchist sounds better than Marxist-Leninist, but actually hold to the ideals of the latter not the former. 👍Cheers permalink fedilink source parent
[–] VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world 1 point 6 months ago I maybe too tired to read this thread with all the people implying things and not saying anything straight... I'm very confused, can you maybe let me in on the big secret? Who did what? Lemmy creator/admin? I have no idea what is everyone talking about lol permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) It seems like an option, but gonna say, having seen some of their biggest contributors try to push people into switching communities over to those moderated by community hoarders also heavily into anarcho-marxism politics - not really getting rid of the problem, are we. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago As someone who identifies as an Anarcho-Syndaclist, I'd kindly ask you not to lump Anarchists in with the Marxist-Leninists. Historically, Anarchists usually get fucked over by MLs just as frequently, if not more so, as by capitalists. Every Anarchist I've had interactions with here has been either pretty vocal about opposition to the political and moral leanings of the people you're referring to, or think anarchist sounds better than Marxist-Leninist, but actually hold to the ideals of the latter not the former. 👍Cheers permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 months ago As someone who identifies as an Anarcho-Syndaclist, I'd kindly ask you not to lump Anarchists in with the Marxist-Leninists. Historically, Anarchists usually get fucked over by MLs just as frequently, if not more so, as by capitalists. Every Anarchist I've had interactions with here has been either pretty vocal about opposition to the political and moral leanings of the people you're referring to, or think anarchist sounds better than Marxist-Leninist, but actually hold to the ideals of the latter not the former. 👍Cheers permalink fedilink source parent
