jeena comments on Unlike previous attempts at trying reddit alternatives (like Voat), kbin and much of the lemmyverse doesn’t seem to be plagued with extreme far right buffoonery.

Unlike previous attempts at trying reddit alternatives (like Voat), kbin and much of the lemmyverse doesn’t seem to be plagued with extreme far right buffoonery. (kbin.social)

submitted 3 years ago* by ferallettuce@kbin.social to c/RedditMigration@kbin.social

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It’s one thing to have differing views, but I’ve seen enough attempted reddit migrations to be relieved that the popular communities in the fediverse so far haven’t been about crazy racist stuff or other extreme right bullshit.

I am also glad that I’m getting away from reddit’s general political shitposting, which was more left leaning. You couldn’t have any proper discourse on there, and even I with my generally more left leaning views recognized that.

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[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 46 points 3 years ago (38 children)

But we have out fair share of Mao and Stalin lovers and Xi loveboys. It's very simmilar. But I guess they are mostly contained to one or two instances.

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[–] Tomassci@kbin.social 32 points 3 years ago (11 children)

Yeah, that also sucks, but on the other side Reddit had those too. Over half of leftist subreddits was plagued by them in fact.

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[–] EnglishMobster@kbin.social 28 points 3 years ago (2 children)

I really liked /r/latestagecapitalism but I got banned for talking smack about China, and how the authoritarianism of the USSR and its child states didn't line up with the values they tried to espouse.

Permanently banned. Appeal ignored. Disappointing, but good riddance I suppose.

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[–] nameless_prole@kbin.social 21 points 3 years ago

Tankies make us all look bad

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[–] GunnarRunnar@kbin.social 8 points 3 years ago

They went to the deep end at some point. Though that sub was always somewhat weird, gave me astroturf vibes or that they've some hidden agenda. I think I've been banned from there as well.

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[–] smallerdemon@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago (7 children)

Indeed, people tend to forget that the left-right meet isn't a half circle, but a full circle. You lean far enough one way on either side and you start wandering into the other side.

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[–] nameless_prole@kbin.social 20 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Nah, horseshoe theory is bullshit. Militant far left, and militant far right are shitty for very different reasons.

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[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago

I wouldn't say it's fully bullshit. The far left and far right, despite having very different ultimate goals, do have one very significant common point in both being opposed to the status quo, and in that opposition, you see some common tactics and ideas develop, such as a tendency towards authoritarianism and an increased tolerance for violence.

Consider that weirdest kind of leftist who's so far down the "America bad" rabbit hole that they unironically support Russia's invasion of Ukraine, despite Russia being as close to a Christo-fascist sexist homophobic authoritarian hell hole as currently exists.

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[–] Kichae@kbin.social 13 points 3 years ago

That's some real Enlightened Centrism bullshit right there.

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[–] Goatan@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago

To true nothing pisses tribalists off more than pointing out there tribes only really differ in style.

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[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago

When the destination is militant authoritarism and fascists, how you got to that point doesn't really matter.

Fascists, alt-right, tankies, and other extremists will kill any chance we have of talking normally in this place, so they cannot be allowed to take root in the mainstream instances.

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[–] sludge@beehaw.org 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

horseshoe theory and the political compass are both kinda silly tho, left and right are more like collections of allied ideologies than a precise value that can be placed on a graph or spectrum.

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[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago

Indeed, the world is far too complicated a place to be reduced to just one or two dimensions.

I'm somewhat fond of the "8 Values" test, which reduces the world to four dimensions. Still way oversimplified, but at that point people are far more likely to compare themselves and see "we may differ on this axis but we actually agree on this other axis," which is very helpful for discourse.

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[–] PabloDiscobar@kbin.social 7 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

These instances are like pirate ships pursuing us.

But they don't write from their original instance name... nonono, I'm sure that they are popping up here with a fresh duplicate account:

"Hello, let me explain some politics to you, but first let me nuke your reputation with a few multi accounts".

And you end up discussing with a whooping 5 downvotes as a starter. It gives the tone for the other people who want to discuss and see you as "this guy".

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[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago

This is one of the major benefits of upvotes/downvotes not being anonymous in activitypub, IMO. Anyone can run a bot that detects patterns like this and calls it out for all to see.

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[–] nivenkos@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago (23 children)

I haven't seen any, just block political communities.

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[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 15 points 3 years ago (4 children)

That's like closing the eyes. I like tje political communities, that was the main reason I was on reddit.

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[–] JasSmith@kbin.social 4 points 3 years ago (2 children)

/r/Politics was a pretty terrible place. I hope you aren't suggesting you want that here.

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[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 1 point 3 years ago

I think /r/Politics was just about US politics, I haven't been there much.

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[–] jerome@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago

after reading your comments, you hate anything that leans left.

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[+] CyanPurple@kbin.social 0 points 3 years ago

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[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 9 points 3 years ago (17 children)

The Lemmy Devs are tankies

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[–] nivenkos@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (14 children)

But they don't post about it so who cares?

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[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 14 points 3 years ago* (13 children)

They run lemmy.ml and censor people talking negatively about the CCP

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[–] Mane25@feddit.uk 6 points 3 years ago (5 children)

They don't have that power, they don't control most of the instances, if they do that on their own instances that's up to them. They couldn't even secretly embed anything in the code to push an agenda since it's open source.

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[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 8 points 3 years ago (4 children)

They have that power on their own instance which is the "official" instance and very popular.

And it just sucks that the software is associated with tankies.

They could silently change their own instance if they wanted to, there has already been some nonsense with them blocking kbin useragents.

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[–] Mane25@feddit.uk 2 points 3 years ago (3 children)

There's no "official instance", it's free software - lemmy.ml isn't even a recommended instance at https://join-lemmy.org .

It's you that's perpetuating that association.

You can't base your software choices on whether or not you agree with their creators political beliefs or else you won't use anything. The creator of Javascript has expressed controversial opinions about same-sex marriage and most of the web uses it.

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[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 11 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

Come the fuck on buddy.. lol..

Also it's number 1 under popular on that page.

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[–] Mane25@feddit.uk 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

That's because it's a popular instance.

Feel free to use what you like, of course, that's the beauty of the fediverse, but I don't understand what you're hung up about now having explained it to you.

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[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago

This is one of their announcement posts.

Hey all, longtime Marxist-leninist, recorder of left audiobooks, and megathread shitposter here.

Posting this in light of a recent one week Reddit ban I earned for shitting on US police, as I'm sure many of us have gotten in recent weeks.

So I've spent the past few months working on a self hostable, federated, Reddit alternative called Lemmy, and it's pretty much ready to go. Unlike here we'd have ultimate control over all content, and would never have to self censor.

Obviously as communists, we agitate where the people are, so we should never abandon Reddit entirely, but it's been clear to all of us from day one, that communities like this stand on unsteady ground, and could be banned or quarantined at any moment by the white supremacist Reddit admins. This would be both a backup and a potentially better alternative. Moderation abilities are there, as well as a slur filter.

Raddle isn't an option obviously since it's run by this arch anti tankie scum, ziq.

I wanted to ask ppl here if they'd like me to host an instance, and mod all the current mods here.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230626055233/https://old.reddit.com/r/communism/comments/cqgztr/fuck_the_white_supremacist_reddit_admins_want_me/

I really don't think it's a wild stretch to say that the people who run an instance that is moderated with a clear political agenda, who actively say that their intent is to promote that agenda, and who are officially promoting that instance in their capacity as developers - are in fact doing so in order to promote that agenda.

But hey, maybe that's a reach.

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[–] Kichae@kbin.social 5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

So don't use Lemmy.ml?

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[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

I don't, still sucks that the Lemmy devs are tankies and censor people.

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[–] Kichae@kbin.social 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

It's an open source, open contribution project. It has one maintainer who's confused being angry at the capitalist class with a call to reflexively defend people who use the word "communism" to justify whatever they want, but he's not "the devs".

No none seems to care when for-profit projects are backed by the slime of the Earth. Actual fascist Peter Thiel financially backed Reddit a decade ago, and people didn't care. And Tencent, with actual and direct ties to the CCP has been a major investor in Reddit for years now.

Reddit ran off of the direct support of white supremacists, anti-democracy advocates, and CCP supporters, and none of that was an issue for anyone until spez got stupid with some small developers.

The tankie guy's political influence will be miniscule in the long run. You can't say that about Thiel's or Tencent's.

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[–] Maxcoffee@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago* (3 children)

On their own instance, that they run. So again, who cares?

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[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social 6 points 3 years ago (2 children)

It sucks that the official instance from the devs of the software denies human rights violations and supports authoritarian governments.

That should not be where people land when looking for a reddit alternative.

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[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

It's not the "official instance", though. There isn't an "official instance."

They're the devs that got the software started, but anyone can be a dev or fork the repository. Or write a new compatible server from scratch, like kbin.

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[–] Maxcoffee@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago

We're not even using their software now. It shows the power of open source that all of this can coexist peacefully despite differing opinions.

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[–] dukethorion@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago

I keep hearing this, and I still don't care. Being from America, I've never even heard that term.

Reddit was run by a capitalist corporation. In America, the Left should hate that, but most of Reddit was decidedly liberal.

See? It doesn't matter. Use the platform or don't. Block what you don't want to see. People are going to post different opinions in public spaces.

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[–] redcalcium@c.calciumlabs.com 1 point 3 years ago*

Thanks to the beauty of both open source models and activitypub, the fact that the lead developer is a tankie does not affect Lemmy users in any way because their sphere of influence ends at lemmygrad and lemmy.ml . If you're a user of those instances and want out, you can just create another account in another instance and still can access any communities you want.

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