▲ 708 ▼ System76 tries to talk Colorado down over OS age checks (www.theregister.com) submitted 6 months ago by negativenull@piefed.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 179 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago (7 children) But then people would have to learn. That's scawy 🥺 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] utopiah@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (6 children) Learn about a tool that is basically in the middle of some of the most crucial interactions in their lives? From receiving an email to vote, to booking an appointment to get a passport, to working, to dating, to browsing an encyclopedia, to entertainment broadly, to creating music, to ...? I'll stop there but yes, even though learning is scary I think if the safety net is clear enough (namely you just can't mess up so badly your brand new computer won't work) then it's worth investing in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago (5 children) You don't need to convince me. I'm all for people having a basic understanding of the tools they use on a daily basis. But my observation is that people seem predominantly opposed to the idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 6 months ago (4 children) That's like saying that everyone should become an electrician. It's just not a practical expectation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago* (3 children) No. But everyone should have a basic understanding how electricity works, so they're not surprised that they better switch it off when working on the wiring and can at least make a guess of how it'll behave once powered. They don't need to get into the dynamics of capacitors, diodes, transistors or other electronic components, but having heard of them certainly wouldn't hurt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 6 months ago (2 children) In my experience people who know a little about computers are more dangerous than the ones who know nothing. I've had people come into the repair shop who've uninstalled programs they don't recognise and then it turns out that the programs they don't recognise was the graphics driver. A complete novice would just have not gone into the program list to begin with. Do schools even teach basic computing anymore, when I was at school we got taught how to program and I feel like that's not done anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) I was taught basic programming in school - by people who clearly had no clue. (it was clear to 11 year old me, and in hindsight I was far to kind in my evaluation of their knowledge) I was also taught on the then very modern apple IIgs - I wouldn't be surprised if you have never heard of that, but all you need to know is nothing I was taught is relevant anyway - if you were taught on windows 7 a lot of what you learned has changed anyway. Point is we need to teach people to teach themselves because things change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 months ago Point is we need to teach people to teach themselves because things change. And it'll only accelerate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (6 children) Learn about a tool that is basically in the middle of some of the most crucial interactions in their lives? From receiving an email to vote, to booking an appointment to get a passport, to working, to dating, to browsing an encyclopedia, to entertainment broadly, to creating music, to ...? I'll stop there but yes, even though learning is scary I think if the safety net is clear enough (namely you just can't mess up so badly your brand new computer won't work) then it's worth investing in. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago (5 children) You don't need to convince me. I'm all for people having a basic understanding of the tools they use on a daily basis. But my observation is that people seem predominantly opposed to the idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 6 months ago (4 children) That's like saying that everyone should become an electrician. It's just not a practical expectation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago* (3 children) No. But everyone should have a basic understanding how electricity works, so they're not surprised that they better switch it off when working on the wiring and can at least make a guess of how it'll behave once powered. They don't need to get into the dynamics of capacitors, diodes, transistors or other electronic components, but having heard of them certainly wouldn't hurt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 6 months ago (2 children) In my experience people who know a little about computers are more dangerous than the ones who know nothing. I've had people come into the repair shop who've uninstalled programs they don't recognise and then it turns out that the programs they don't recognise was the graphics driver. A complete novice would just have not gone into the program list to begin with. Do schools even teach basic computing anymore, when I was at school we got taught how to program and I feel like that's not done anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) I was taught basic programming in school - by people who clearly had no clue. (it was clear to 11 year old me, and in hindsight I was far to kind in my evaluation of their knowledge) I was also taught on the then very modern apple IIgs - I wouldn't be surprised if you have never heard of that, but all you need to know is nothing I was taught is relevant anyway - if you were taught on windows 7 a lot of what you learned has changed anyway. Point is we need to teach people to teach themselves because things change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 months ago Point is we need to teach people to teach themselves because things change. And it'll only accelerate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 months ago (5 children) You don't need to convince me. I'm all for people having a basic understanding of the tools they use on a daily basis. But my observation is that people seem predominantly opposed to the idea. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 6 months ago (4 children) That's like saying that everyone should become an electrician. It's just not a practical expectation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago* (3 children) No. But everyone should have a basic understanding how electricity works, so they're not surprised that they better switch it off when working on the wiring and can at least make a guess of how it'll behave once powered. They don't need to get into the dynamics of capacitors, diodes, transistors or other electronic components, but having heard of them certainly wouldn't hurt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 6 months ago (2 children) In my experience people who know a little about computers are more dangerous than the ones who know nothing. I've had people come into the repair shop who've uninstalled programs they don't recognise and then it turns out that the programs they don't recognise was the graphics driver. A complete novice would just have not gone into the program list to begin with. Do schools even teach basic computing anymore, when I was at school we got taught how to program and I feel like that's not done anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) I was taught basic programming in school - by people who clearly had no clue. (it was clear to 11 year old me, and in hindsight I was far to kind in my evaluation of their knowledge) I was also taught on the then very modern apple IIgs - I wouldn't be surprised if you have never heard of that, but all you need to know is nothing I was taught is relevant anyway - if you were taught on windows 7 a lot of what you learned has changed anyway. Point is we need to teach people to teach themselves because things change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 months ago Point is we need to teach people to teach themselves because things change. And it'll only accelerate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 6 months ago (4 children) That's like saying that everyone should become an electrician. It's just not a practical expectation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago* (3 children) No. But everyone should have a basic understanding how electricity works, so they're not surprised that they better switch it off when working on the wiring and can at least make a guess of how it'll behave once powered. They don't need to get into the dynamics of capacitors, diodes, transistors or other electronic components, but having heard of them certainly wouldn't hurt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 6 months ago (2 children) In my experience people who know a little about computers are more dangerous than the ones who know nothing. I've had people come into the repair shop who've uninstalled programs they don't recognise and then it turns out that the programs they don't recognise was the graphics driver. A complete novice would just have not gone into the program list to begin with. Do schools even teach basic computing anymore, when I was at school we got taught how to program and I feel like that's not done anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) I was taught basic programming in school - by people who clearly had no clue. (it was clear to 11 year old me, and in hindsight I was far to kind in my evaluation of their knowledge) I was also taught on the then very modern apple IIgs - I wouldn't be surprised if you have never heard of that, but all you need to know is nothing I was taught is relevant anyway - if you were taught on windows 7 a lot of what you learned has changed anyway. Point is we need to teach people to teach themselves because things change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 months ago Point is we need to teach people to teach themselves because things change. And it'll only accelerate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago* (3 children) No. But everyone should have a basic understanding how electricity works, so they're not surprised that they better switch it off when working on the wiring and can at least make a guess of how it'll behave once powered. They don't need to get into the dynamics of capacitors, diodes, transistors or other electronic components, but having heard of them certainly wouldn't hurt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 6 months ago (2 children) In my experience people who know a little about computers are more dangerous than the ones who know nothing. I've had people come into the repair shop who've uninstalled programs they don't recognise and then it turns out that the programs they don't recognise was the graphics driver. A complete novice would just have not gone into the program list to begin with. Do schools even teach basic computing anymore, when I was at school we got taught how to program and I feel like that's not done anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) I was taught basic programming in school - by people who clearly had no clue. (it was clear to 11 year old me, and in hindsight I was far to kind in my evaluation of their knowledge) I was also taught on the then very modern apple IIgs - I wouldn't be surprised if you have never heard of that, but all you need to know is nothing I was taught is relevant anyway - if you were taught on windows 7 a lot of what you learned has changed anyway. Point is we need to teach people to teach themselves because things change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 months ago Point is we need to teach people to teach themselves because things change. And it'll only accelerate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 6 months ago (2 children) In my experience people who know a little about computers are more dangerous than the ones who know nothing. I've had people come into the repair shop who've uninstalled programs they don't recognise and then it turns out that the programs they don't recognise was the graphics driver. A complete novice would just have not gone into the program list to begin with. Do schools even teach basic computing anymore, when I was at school we got taught how to program and I feel like that's not done anymore. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) I was taught basic programming in school - by people who clearly had no clue. (it was clear to 11 year old me, and in hindsight I was far to kind in my evaluation of their knowledge) I was also taught on the then very modern apple IIgs - I wouldn't be surprised if you have never heard of that, but all you need to know is nothing I was taught is relevant anyway - if you were taught on windows 7 a lot of what you learned has changed anyway. Point is we need to teach people to teach themselves because things change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 months ago Point is we need to teach people to teach themselves because things change. And it'll only accelerate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bluGill@fedia.io 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) I was taught basic programming in school - by people who clearly had no clue. (it was clear to 11 year old me, and in hindsight I was far to kind in my evaluation of their knowledge) I was also taught on the then very modern apple IIgs - I wouldn't be surprised if you have never heard of that, but all you need to know is nothing I was taught is relevant anyway - if you were taught on windows 7 a lot of what you learned has changed anyway. Point is we need to teach people to teach themselves because things change. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 months ago Point is we need to teach people to teach themselves because things change. And it'll only accelerate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 1 point 6 months ago Point is we need to teach people to teach themselves because things change. And it'll only accelerate. permalink fedilink source parent