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Trans people in Kansas are being ordered to surrender their drivers licenses (thelemmy.club)
submitted 7 months ago by to c/aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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[–] 1 point 7 months ago (9 children)

So you're positioning yourself against "voting" as a concept in this argument, if that isn't clear by the 23 downvotes

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (8 children)

    I'm positioning myself against "aristocratic selection mechanisms" which y'all insist on calling "voting".

    So yeah, fuck "voting".

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (7 children)

    I suggest you go outdoors, maybe visit your local library, talk to some people. Ride a bus once in a while. It's good for ya.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (6 children)

    If you practiced what you preach you wouldn't be this patronizing, condescending and dismissive.

    Enjoy those public services while you can, so long as voting is your praxis, and you remain proudly ignorant of what that entails, they will continue to be defunded and privatized.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (5 children)

    I condescend idiots who act as though voting does nothing. We managed to elect a socialist mayor in Seattle. The margin was under 1000 votes. Fucking vote.

    And stop assuming just because someone is pro-voting means they don't participate in other effective forms of praxis. You have no idea what people are up to.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    We managed to elect a socialist mayor in Seattle.

    And what has that materially changed?

    I know you'll argue that it's too early to expect anything, but mark my words that nothing will materially change. SPD's budget will continue to increase with the deficit taken from public services, homelessness and sweeps will continue to escalate and expect nothing more than apologetics when ICE/BPD starts to escalate in the area.

    Your hope and optimism is being weaponised against you.

    You have no idea what people are up to.

    Quite the change in position from "go touch grass".

    Am I wrong in stating that you view voting as a form of praxis?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    You are wrong in that, yes. Voting is the most basic form of civil participation. It's like paying your bus fare. Riding the bus is not praxis.

    It's a whole lot easier to organize when you're able to pressure those in power, though. There is a meaningful difference in organizing conditions under leaders like Zohran Mamdani and even liberals like Joe Biden than it is under fascist regimes.

    I'd rather have leaders who are afraid of getting voted out than leaders who want to crush all resistance, and you're a fool for acting as though it doesn't matter.

    Please go outside.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    What do you mean when you use the word praxis? I'm using it in the "actions one takes in order to manifest some change within society". I do agree with you that voting and riding the bus generally aren't a form of praxis. However, historically the freedom riders were able to make "riding the bus" a form of praxis and it's not ancient history where voting was praxis for those wealthy enough.

    the most basic form of civil participation

    No. The most basic form of civil participation is waving to your neighbors, the next step is small talk and then lending some salt/sugar/tarps/etc. as needed, so on.

    Voting is the most basic form of legitimization.

    There is a meaningful difference in organizing conditions

    Oh I agree, it's impossible to organize when people insist on the need "to pressure those in power" when the whole point of organizing is to redistribute said power.

    Biden and Mamdani serve the same fascist state as Trump and Harrell. Without going to suicidal extremes the amount of pressure all of us can exude will never outweigh that of the capital class. Their power must be recaptured before there is any talk of pressuring anyone into anything.

    I'd rather have leaders who are afraid of getting voted out

    Those people you've listed are primarily figureheads and they will be the first to tell you their actual power is very limited. Why do you insist on following them?

    Please go outside.

    Again with this thought terminating cliche? What happened to "You have no idea what people are up to."?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Reading all of this, I just feel like you are a very cynical person looking for reasons to give up. I can't even bring myself to argue anymore. You win. I'm going to go make someone's day better.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I'm going to go make someone's day better.

    You don't do that by victim blaming and then dogpiling on the person who calls it out.

    You're right, I am extremely cynical. Why do you view that as a negative? It's not about giving up, it's about knowing when to walk away.

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