cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/43728612

Stolen from r/Marxism_memes

The rock asking a gusano why she hates socialism, with her replying that it's because Fidel and Che liberated their slaves and sugar plantations. Castro pops out, saying "I knew it!"
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[–] [S] 3 points 7 months ago (18 children)

The Kim family has outsized influence, largely because Kim Il Sung is still seen as a vital contributor to the establishment of the DPRK. Further, the "Eternal President" title is an honorary title still held by Kim Il Sung, as the presidency position he held was abolished after his death and decentralized. Kim Jong-Un is the General Secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea and the President of the State Affairs Commission, but these are not "head of state" positions as Kim Il-Sung had.

I'm not sure how you can claim I'm a clown, I've clearly done my research on the topic while your only point is "tourists can't take unapproved pictures."

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago (17 children)

    I’m not sure how you can claim I’m a clown, I’ve clearly done my research on the topic while your only point is “tourists can’t take unapproved pictures.”

    yeah, a lack of transparancy reveals how honest the "research" you've done is. good luck leading the armed revolution to install the next authoritarian communist regime that will lead to a workers paradise, instead of a stagnant totalitarian state!

    Careful that they don't send you to the gulag in the next purge.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 7 months ago (16 children)

    Where's my lack of transparency? I linked my sources. If you mean preventing tourists from taking photos willy-nilly, the DPRK is still at war presently, and still has instances where the US millitary murders their civilians. The rest of your comment isn't even a point, it's like a bingo of tired tropes lacking in any investigation.

    To the contrary of your claims of "totalitarianism," socialist states have brought dramatic democratization to society. First-hand accounts from Statesian journalist Anna Louise Strong in her book This Soviet World describe soviet elections and factory councils in action. Statesian Pat Sloan even wrote Soviet Democracy to describe in detail the system the soviets had built for curious Statesians to read about, and today we have the aforementioned Professor Roland Boer's Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance to reference.

    When it comes to social progressivism, the soviet union was among the best out of their peers, so instead we must look at who was actually repressed outside of the norm. In the USSR, it was the capitalist class, the kulaks, the fascists who were repressed. This is out of necessity for any socialist state. When it comes to working class freedoms, however, the soviet union represented a dramatic expansion. Soviet progressivism was documented quite well in Albert Syzmanski's Human Rights in the Soviet Union.

    On the whole, soviet prisons and the justice system itself were more progressive than their peers, Mary Stevenson Callcott documented it quite well in Russian Justice. The soviet union, despite having a progressive legal system, was in a state of constant turmoil caused by pressures both external and internal. They couldn't simply delete all previously existing ruling-class people and ideology, class struggle continues under socialism. Further, pressure from the imperialist west, invasion both in threat and in action, and intentional sabateurs meant that the prisons certainly weren't empty. The soviet union never had a single year of normal, stable growth, free from intense opposition on the outside and counter-revolutionary forces on the inside.

    Do you have any real points?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (15 children)

    yeah, that you never cite any actually eras that democratic, left wing, actually free countries had.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 7 months ago (14 children)
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  • [–] [S] 3 points 7 months ago

    I know what the word "era" means, I'm a Statesian communist, not Russian. I cite historical books on the systems of democracy in socialist countries. You didn't counter any of what I said, you just said "no."

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (11 children)

    Awesome! Authlefts aren't authoritarian, in fact, Cuba and the DPRK Love freedom! Look at how much freeze peach our forum has as an open place to discuss ideas!

    REMOVED BY MOD

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    Dbzer0 doesn't claim to be "freeze peach." The political compass isn't real, and even if it was, there's no way in hell Cuba and the DPRK could be considered right-wing. You never discussed anything either, you just repeated dogmatic tropes with no investigation nor consideration for the sources and arguments I brought.

    You're also complaining about "freeze peach" while on Lemmy.world, which is defederated from communist instances and thus not "freeze peach" either, and you only had comment(s) removed, not even a temp-ban, and this was because of your vaguely racist comment.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Calling out the people sending you cheques isn't racist. I'm calling out your lack of intermediate English skills.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Nobody is sending me any cheques, I pay org dues. I understand what "era" means, I asked clarification because the sources I listed covered socialist history in general, which is democratic. The fact that you call my English skills "intermediate" and accuse me of being Russian is the racist bit, you immediately assuming anyone that disagrees with you and can back it up with primary sources must be Russian.

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    I’m sick of you fifth column, tankie arseholes. Stop pretending authoritarian one party states are real democracies.

    Then why don’t you go back to Reddit?

    Real democracies in the west transformed their respective countries through diplomatic and consensual ways, and achieved far more through multi party elections than violent insurrections did.

    Those aren’t real democracies, though. They’re bourgeois democracies; they’re oligarchies. They’re the best governments money can buy. Previously.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago

    Yeah, Nelson mandela got more of what he wanted as a terrorist than as President, same for Pepe Mujica. When he was robbing banks and getting thrown in jail, he did more for Uruguay than when he was president.

    When Clement Atlee established a modern welfare state in Britain , with social housing and the NHS, it was a fucking sellout to the banks that he did.

    What they all should have done was establish a one party, hereditary state like North Korea, or held onto power with an iron fist like Fidel.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)