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Proton has ties to Israel. What's a safe alternative? (lemmy.world)
submitted 7 months ago by to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
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Proton VPN/mail. It's often recommended as being safe, but I'm not so sure.

It has servers in Israel. Ties to Israel are never a good thing. Palantir, Epstein, etc are tied to Israel, and Israel also is known for its surveillance. It is also true that it's completely legal there for them to access and monitor any and all information that passes through VPNs or networks there.

I'm looking for a safe alternative that's privacy-conscious and isn't linked to Israel. Both mail and vpn (it's fine if they're separate). Please let me know if you guys know.

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[–] [S] 3 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

Just because mullvad and most other VPNs do something, doesn't mean it's good.

Israel is known for a level of surveillance that most other countries aren't.

The rest of what you've said is just ad hominem I'm not interested in.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The idea that you're not interested in being called out is not unusual.

    You have a bone to pick with Proton. It is evident as you've singled them out without mentioning this is industry standard. You have a problem with the VPN industry that you are solely blaming Proton for in your post title.

    You are a weird little agitator and deserve many more ad hominems. Get wrecked.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 7 months ago

    I responded to the aspects of your argument that weren't personal attacks. Personal attacks, yes, I am not interested in.

    ''Industry standard'' doesn't mean anything. Government surveillance and everything this sub stands against is ''industry standard''. Just because everyone's doing it doesn't mean it's a good thing.

    I ''singled out'' Proton because it was the VPN I used the most prior. I'm not sure why that's a problem.

    Are you able to discuss things based on criticisms of logical reasoning and evidence, or are you going to continue to respond with personal attacks? I am open to critique.

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