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Proton has ties to Israel. What's a safe alternative? (lemmy.world)
submitted 7 months ago by to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
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Proton VPN/mail. It's often recommended as being safe, but I'm not so sure.

It has servers in Israel. Ties to Israel are never a good thing. Palantir, Epstein, etc are tied to Israel, and Israel also is known for its surveillance. It is also true that it's completely legal there for them to access and monitor any and all information that passes through VPNs or networks there.

I'm looking for a safe alternative that's privacy-conscious and isn't linked to Israel. Both mail and vpn (it's fine if they're separate). Please let me know if you guys know.

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[–] [S] -3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If you open the app Israel is literally listed as a server. It's not hard to find.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    That's it? they've got some metal hosted in the country somewhere? I was expecting more.

    Looking through the thread it seems you're very keen on the end of the ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people and privacy which is good but going after proton won't help on either front here.

    If you want to help stop the murder look into the BDS and the organisations they're currently running boyoctts against and focus your efforts on those as those organisations are the ones propping up the Israeli state and allowing/assisting it to commit it's crimes. community action against targets that matter will have a far more meaningful effects than going after a handful of servers. To this end also look up Palestinian organisations where you live to work with. The Palestine Solidarity Campaign in the UK is good example.

    And on the privacy side I feel you seem to miss the point of how VPNs work. If you avoid ever setting your exit point to Israel then Israel will never see your traffic and be able to surveil it. Unless you have some evidence that Proton's network has been compromised I can't see any technical reason to avoid using Proton or any other provider running endpoints in Israel.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 7 months ago

    The focus on this post was primarily the surveillance and lack of privacy Israel is known for, though genocide is obviously not a good look either. Relating themselves to Israel in anyway does lower the company's reputation and the trust it inspires.

    I am admittedly not tech-savvy so I'm not really able to understand the fine print myself, though if they conducted their operations within israel that'd definitely be alarming from a surveillance pov. I'm not sure it would register as merely "some metal" to me, if that were the case.

    However I know they're in Switzerland and I don't have any idea how "exit Nodes" and the sort function.

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