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Proton has ties to Israel. What's a safe alternative? (lemmy.world)
submitted 7 months ago by to c/privacy@lemmy.ml
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Proton VPN/mail. It's often recommended as being safe, but I'm not so sure.

It has servers in Israel. Ties to Israel are never a good thing. Palantir, Epstein, etc are tied to Israel, and Israel also is known for its surveillance. It is also true that it's completely legal there for them to access and monitor any and all information that passes through VPNs or networks there.

I'm looking for a safe alternative that's privacy-conscious and isn't linked to Israel. Both mail and vpn (it's fine if they're separate). Please let me know if you guys know.

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[–] 3 points 7 months ago (9 children)

Yes, but afaik they are not nazis nor are involved in the kind of genocidal actions israel is

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Proton has servers in both Russia and Ukraine, and neither means Proton has ties with their governments. If you want to expand an Israel boycott to anyone doing business with any company from Israel then ok, but the word "ties" seems to imply some involvement or complicity with a government/regime/ideology, like they are connected to anything said place is doing.

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  • [+] -2 points 7 months ago (7 children)
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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (6 children)

    Sure bro, the country that ended nazi germany is actually nazi.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    USSR helped end Nazi Germany but nice revisionism lmao 🤡 Current day russia is 100% fash

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Helped? Helped who actually? Who was the main combatent that was helped?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Regardless of your opinion of 1940s Russia, don’t you think countries change over time?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Everything can change. But i dont think (and im totally open to changing my mind upon seeing arguments) russia became nazi. People who say this usually look at fascism from a moral, not a scientific point of view

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