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Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's "Zionist Bar Problem" (lemmy.zip)

submitted 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) by Salamence@lemmy.zip to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

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Dbzero Governance Vote Post https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/63525728

Ahoy mateys!

A few of our users have recently pointed out that a lot of the pro-Zionist accounts on the fediverse nowadays seem to come from the feddit.org instance.

But whatever the excuse happens to be, they need to do better imo. Israel is currently the most violent, fascist and genocidal nation state in the Middle East (if you exclude the US military bases there). And yet feddit.org seems to regard the Palestinians fighting against Israel’s ongoing illegal occupation of their land as the real terrorists. ....

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Our instance already voted to ban pro-Zionist accounts (see https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/60585441 for reference) and the rule that was implemented is here: Golden Rule #8.

As further context, you can find relevant comments and discussion in this post by a banned feddit admin in MoG (that fact they chose to post in MoG is in itself quite telling), and this post about their defederation from quokk.au over anti-semitism allegations has recently become active again. ...

Note 2: If you think feddit.org deserves a full instance ban instead, or have alternative suggestions, then please leave your comments below. If enough people think that’s the better option, then we’ll do that instead.

In the end the Post had around 70% of support by dbzer0 users, who in the comments also called for defederation.

Here is a Link to Dbzer0 instances tab https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/instances where if you go to blocked instances you can see fedddit.org is now defederated

i dont think feddit has made a post now, but when they do i will add it

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[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Look at the response in context of Feddit. Its not a critique of you, per se, its a critique of the German law/ idealogical approach. Lets suggest, in your words, a full "national socialist" genocide is at least possible in this day and age. The world did no know the full extent of Germany's action until well into the process.

If we rely on the logic of the German approach, we wouldn't be able to call the thing a thing until its too late. The point being made is that if you wait long enough to be able to a full historical analysis, you've effectively become an apologist for genocide on the basis of a lack of evidence.

And I would argue that Israels actions over the previous 80 years are extremely comparable to what the National Socialists did in Germany, and in some ways, even more disgusting. Germany ran concentration camps for around 12 years. Israel has been running them for almost 80. Germany treated it as a war of extermination. Israel is running it as a war of extermination. What other than a death camp would you call Israelli detention facilities?

The only difference is that we have the opportunity to stop Israel in its tracks, now, as its becomes clear the Israelies are not going to stop until the entire Palestinian population is eliminated. Disallowing or diminishing comparisons between the most famous historical genocide and the ongoing Israeli genocide in Palestine supports genocide

[-] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago

The thing is called a thing and should be called a thing. I.e. genocide. All genocide needs to be stopped at almost any cost. I don't have any capacity to argue further, so many people are saying things.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

The thing is called a thing and should be called a thing.

Ok. Well thats not what you are doing and its not what German law or Feddit is doing. People are trying to call a thing a thing, and are getting push back saying "You can't call this thing that thing".

You are doing the thing people are accusing you of; you are apologizing for genocide, not resisting it.

[-] Azzu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

You again ignore that the "thing" I talk about is a "genocide", which is what is happening, and it is one of the worst things humans can do to each other and needs to be stopped at all costs.

You insist on not trying to understand, I'm done.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

You insist on not trying to understand

No, its that you continue to insist that your "nuance" isn't apoligism.

I’m done.

This isn't a train station. No need to announce your departure. Everyone here can read your words and judge you for themselves, and they are, and they see you apologizing for genocide. You should take the time of your departure to mediate on why that might be.