▲ 1232 ▼ Android will become a locked-down platform in 194 days (keepandroidopen.org) submitted 6 months ago* by FirmDistribution@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 338 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 45 points 6 months ago (2 children) Linux phones look more and more attractive permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Mohamad20ZX@sopuli.xyz 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 28 points 6 months ago (2 children) sadly The PinePhone Pro was officially discontinued in August 2025, as it didn’t sell well enough to keep production going.[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PinePhone_Pro permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Mohamad20ZX@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] hellomoto@lemmings.world 1 point 6 months ago (3 children) So what can I buy now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] tal@lemmy.today 1 point 6 months ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones#Devices_with_formal_support permalink fedilink source parent [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago I've been following this for a while. You have two main branches to follow Bare‑metal (native Linux kernel + native drivers) pros: True Linux kernel Long‑term maintainability No Android blobs in userspace Cleaner architecture cons: Driver support is the biggest pain point Modems, cameras, GPUs, sensors often require reverse‑engineering Power management is worse Hardware acceleration may be incomplete Fewer devices are viable You can put this on an old pine phone, or a pixel 3 or a fairephone 4/5 You can buy a preconfigured puresim librem 5 Battery life is pretty rough. You can find lots of youtubes recounting their attempts at daily driving both PostmarketOS, Puresim and UBPorts on bare metal Halium‑based (Linux userspace on top of Android hardware abstraction) pros: Excellent hardware support (camera, modem, GPU, sensors) Better battery life Runs on many more devices More stable than bare‑metal cons: Controversial in the community Relies on Android blobs Not “pure Linux” Kernel is usually Android‑based, not mainline Long‑term maintainability depends on Android vendor support You can buy preworking models from Volla or you can put it on a Fury Phone there are a number of options for used phones if you want to install it yousel. IMO, If you want a daily driver with working cameras and good battery life, Halium is usually the practical choice. You also have to beware of usage in some places, looks like most of the carriers in Australia will refsue to active VoiceOverLTE even though the phones support it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago My tears, maybe I can afford to eat today. permalink fedilink source parent [–] generic1546@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 months ago (2 children) Graphene OS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Allero@lemmy.today 21 points 6 months ago* (2 children) As far as I know, it is still reliant on the whims of Google through shenanigans with AOSP, and of course having to use a Pixel. Linux offers a more solid and independent foundation, and while it is less polished yet, to me it's the only real way out in the long run. Still, GrapheneOS is a big step in the right direction - hope it wouldn't come across as me being against the project. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fishy@lemmy.today 10 points 6 months ago Yup, if enough people switch to graphene big G will fuck them over. Exiting entirely is the only long term solution. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nile_istic@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (2 children) They've signed with an OEM (still secret atm, but the best guess seems to be Motorola?) who will produce the first flagship GrapheneOS device sometime this or next year iirc. Supposed to be revealing the manufacturer next month. That'll at least take some of the Google dependency by having to use Pixels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hellomoto@lemmings.world 5 points 6 months ago Motorola Oh hello. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 6 months ago Yep, heard a bit about it. Didn't include here because it's still a big WIP. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago No, linux permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Mohamad20ZX@sopuli.xyz 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 28 points 6 months ago (2 children) sadly The PinePhone Pro was officially discontinued in August 2025, as it didn’t sell well enough to keep production going.[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PinePhone_Pro permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Mohamad20ZX@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] hellomoto@lemmings.world 1 point 6 months ago (3 children) So what can I buy now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] tal@lemmy.today 1 point 6 months ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones#Devices_with_formal_support permalink fedilink source parent [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago I've been following this for a while. You have two main branches to follow Bare‑metal (native Linux kernel + native drivers) pros: True Linux kernel Long‑term maintainability No Android blobs in userspace Cleaner architecture cons: Driver support is the biggest pain point Modems, cameras, GPUs, sensors often require reverse‑engineering Power management is worse Hardware acceleration may be incomplete Fewer devices are viable You can put this on an old pine phone, or a pixel 3 or a fairephone 4/5 You can buy a preconfigured puresim librem 5 Battery life is pretty rough. You can find lots of youtubes recounting their attempts at daily driving both PostmarketOS, Puresim and UBPorts on bare metal Halium‑based (Linux userspace on top of Android hardware abstraction) pros: Excellent hardware support (camera, modem, GPU, sensors) Better battery life Runs on many more devices More stable than bare‑metal cons: Controversial in the community Relies on Android blobs Not “pure Linux” Kernel is usually Android‑based, not mainline Long‑term maintainability depends on Android vendor support You can buy preworking models from Volla or you can put it on a Fury Phone there are a number of options for used phones if you want to install it yousel. IMO, If you want a daily driver with working cameras and good battery life, Halium is usually the practical choice. You also have to beware of usage in some places, looks like most of the carriers in Australia will refsue to active VoiceOverLTE even though the phones support it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago My tears, maybe I can afford to eat today. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 28 points 6 months ago (2 children) sadly The PinePhone Pro was officially discontinued in August 2025, as it didn’t sell well enough to keep production going.[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PinePhone_Pro permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Mohamad20ZX@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] hellomoto@lemmings.world 1 point 6 months ago (3 children) So what can I buy now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] tal@lemmy.today 1 point 6 months ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones#Devices_with_formal_support permalink fedilink source parent [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago I've been following this for a while. You have two main branches to follow Bare‑metal (native Linux kernel + native drivers) pros: True Linux kernel Long‑term maintainability No Android blobs in userspace Cleaner architecture cons: Driver support is the biggest pain point Modems, cameras, GPUs, sensors often require reverse‑engineering Power management is worse Hardware acceleration may be incomplete Fewer devices are viable You can put this on an old pine phone, or a pixel 3 or a fairephone 4/5 You can buy a preconfigured puresim librem 5 Battery life is pretty rough. You can find lots of youtubes recounting their attempts at daily driving both PostmarketOS, Puresim and UBPorts on bare metal Halium‑based (Linux userspace on top of Android hardware abstraction) pros: Excellent hardware support (camera, modem, GPU, sensors) Better battery life Runs on many more devices More stable than bare‑metal cons: Controversial in the community Relies on Android blobs Not “pure Linux” Kernel is usually Android‑based, not mainline Long‑term maintainability depends on Android vendor support You can buy preworking models from Volla or you can put it on a Fury Phone there are a number of options for used phones if you want to install it yousel. IMO, If you want a daily driver with working cameras and good battery life, Halium is usually the practical choice. You also have to beware of usage in some places, looks like most of the carriers in Australia will refsue to active VoiceOverLTE even though the phones support it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago My tears, maybe I can afford to eat today. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Mohamad20ZX@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hellomoto@lemmings.world 1 point 6 months ago (3 children) So what can I buy now? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] tal@lemmy.today 1 point 6 months ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones#Devices_with_formal_support permalink fedilink source parent [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago I've been following this for a while. You have two main branches to follow Bare‑metal (native Linux kernel + native drivers) pros: True Linux kernel Long‑term maintainability No Android blobs in userspace Cleaner architecture cons: Driver support is the biggest pain point Modems, cameras, GPUs, sensors often require reverse‑engineering Power management is worse Hardware acceleration may be incomplete Fewer devices are viable You can put this on an old pine phone, or a pixel 3 or a fairephone 4/5 You can buy a preconfigured puresim librem 5 Battery life is pretty rough. You can find lots of youtubes recounting their attempts at daily driving both PostmarketOS, Puresim and UBPorts on bare metal Halium‑based (Linux userspace on top of Android hardware abstraction) pros: Excellent hardware support (camera, modem, GPU, sensors) Better battery life Runs on many more devices More stable than bare‑metal cons: Controversial in the community Relies on Android blobs Not “pure Linux” Kernel is usually Android‑based, not mainline Long‑term maintainability depends on Android vendor support You can buy preworking models from Volla or you can put it on a Fury Phone there are a number of options for used phones if you want to install it yousel. IMO, If you want a daily driver with working cameras and good battery life, Halium is usually the practical choice. You also have to beware of usage in some places, looks like most of the carriers in Australia will refsue to active VoiceOverLTE even though the phones support it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago My tears, maybe I can afford to eat today. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tal@lemmy.today 1 point 6 months ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones#Devices_with_formal_support permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 point 6 months ago I've been following this for a while. You have two main branches to follow Bare‑metal (native Linux kernel + native drivers) pros: True Linux kernel Long‑term maintainability No Android blobs in userspace Cleaner architecture cons: Driver support is the biggest pain point Modems, cameras, GPUs, sensors often require reverse‑engineering Power management is worse Hardware acceleration may be incomplete Fewer devices are viable You can put this on an old pine phone, or a pixel 3 or a fairephone 4/5 You can buy a preconfigured puresim librem 5 Battery life is pretty rough. You can find lots of youtubes recounting their attempts at daily driving both PostmarketOS, Puresim and UBPorts on bare metal Halium‑based (Linux userspace on top of Android hardware abstraction) pros: Excellent hardware support (camera, modem, GPU, sensors) Better battery life Runs on many more devices More stable than bare‑metal cons: Controversial in the community Relies on Android blobs Not “pure Linux” Kernel is usually Android‑based, not mainline Long‑term maintainability depends on Android vendor support You can buy preworking models from Volla or you can put it on a Fury Phone there are a number of options for used phones if you want to install it yousel. IMO, If you want a daily driver with working cameras and good battery life, Halium is usually the practical choice. You also have to beware of usage in some places, looks like most of the carriers in Australia will refsue to active VoiceOverLTE even though the phones support it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 6 months ago My tears, maybe I can afford to eat today. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] generic1546@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 months ago (2 children) Graphene OS permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Allero@lemmy.today 21 points 6 months ago* (2 children) As far as I know, it is still reliant on the whims of Google through shenanigans with AOSP, and of course having to use a Pixel. Linux offers a more solid and independent foundation, and while it is less polished yet, to me it's the only real way out in the long run. Still, GrapheneOS is a big step in the right direction - hope it wouldn't come across as me being against the project. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fishy@lemmy.today 10 points 6 months ago Yup, if enough people switch to graphene big G will fuck them over. Exiting entirely is the only long term solution. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nile_istic@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (2 children) They've signed with an OEM (still secret atm, but the best guess seems to be Motorola?) who will produce the first flagship GrapheneOS device sometime this or next year iirc. Supposed to be revealing the manufacturer next month. That'll at least take some of the Google dependency by having to use Pixels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hellomoto@lemmings.world 5 points 6 months ago Motorola Oh hello. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 6 months ago Yep, heard a bit about it. Didn't include here because it's still a big WIP. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago No, linux permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Allero@lemmy.today 21 points 6 months ago* (2 children) As far as I know, it is still reliant on the whims of Google through shenanigans with AOSP, and of course having to use a Pixel. Linux offers a more solid and independent foundation, and while it is less polished yet, to me it's the only real way out in the long run. Still, GrapheneOS is a big step in the right direction - hope it wouldn't come across as me being against the project. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] fishy@lemmy.today 10 points 6 months ago Yup, if enough people switch to graphene big G will fuck them over. Exiting entirely is the only long term solution. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nile_istic@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (2 children) They've signed with an OEM (still secret atm, but the best guess seems to be Motorola?) who will produce the first flagship GrapheneOS device sometime this or next year iirc. Supposed to be revealing the manufacturer next month. That'll at least take some of the Google dependency by having to use Pixels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hellomoto@lemmings.world 5 points 6 months ago Motorola Oh hello. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 6 months ago Yep, heard a bit about it. Didn't include here because it's still a big WIP. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fishy@lemmy.today 10 points 6 months ago Yup, if enough people switch to graphene big G will fuck them over. Exiting entirely is the only long term solution. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nile_istic@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (2 children) They've signed with an OEM (still secret atm, but the best guess seems to be Motorola?) who will produce the first flagship GrapheneOS device sometime this or next year iirc. Supposed to be revealing the manufacturer next month. That'll at least take some of the Google dependency by having to use Pixels. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] hellomoto@lemmings.world 5 points 6 months ago Motorola Oh hello. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 6 months ago Yep, heard a bit about it. Didn't include here because it's still a big WIP. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hellomoto@lemmings.world 5 points 6 months ago Motorola Oh hello. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 6 months ago Yep, heard a bit about it. Didn't include here because it's still a big WIP. permalink fedilink source parent