Fairphone sales jump 83% as the memory crunch makes longevity look better than ever.

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[โ€“] 11 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I wish they had a flagship. I would be able to accept compromises of course - thicker, more expensive... But still with top notch components.

There are two things stopping me:

The first one is that for the first time ever, I have a phone that I can just about take on a holiday, not take my DSLR, and not regret the decision. I reckon different people have different thresholds for this, but for me this bar sits at the recent crop of 1" camera sensors (maybe from 1-3 years ago, like Xiaomi 13U/14U, Vivo X100, etc).

The second one is that I tend to get flagships as a way to guarantee some longevity when doing some resource intensive tasks. I consider myself a power user, and while it's true that phones have plenty of horsepower these days, there are tasks that are quite demanding. For example, I use Ente which does local indexing on the phone for the ML image search (which isn't an "easy" task) and I do run small edge-type ML models (such as whisper, of re-train the transformer model in FUTO)... Now I know probably I could do those things on a 2025 mid-range processor, but I worry that by 2027 I will want to replace the phone because the things I want to do will have rendered the phone obsolete. A faster processor allows me to go for an extra year or two without suffering a painfully slow phone, so I'd also want this before making the switch.

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  • [โ€“] 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    FP doesn't need a flagship. There is only one line. That's the flagship. Don't like it? Don't buy it.

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  • [โ€“] 22 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    This, and in terms of repairability/sustainability, it's hard to make an "everything device" and do it well. Every time you think you got all user requirements covered, another user comes around the corner with a new set of hyper-specific requirements, and you're back at square one figuring out supply chains and design fundamentals. If your aim is to make something repairable and sustainable that is hard to make that way, it's much more feasible to just make two separate devices.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Right, and so anyone who wants an actual flagship phone should skip Fairphone because theyโ€™re not going to like it. Iโ€™m glad we agree.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Unless you are an elite mobile gamer, you don't need a flagship phone.

    Even midrange will cover everyone's needs.

    Flagships are nothing but marketing bullshit.

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Iโ€™ve had some midrange phones for a few days. Theyโ€™re fine until I take photo and show it on a display thatโ€™s larger than a phone screen.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    So you want one with a top-ish-of-the-line camera

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, I would prefer a midrange phone with a flagship camera over a flagship phone with a midrange camera.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 6 months ago

    I completely agree. I got the FP6 with /e/OS like half a year ago and I love everything about it except the camera. I basically stopped taking photos now and borrow my partner's iPhone for photos instead... ๐Ÿ˜ข

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  • [โ€“] -1 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, if showing pictures from your phone on a big screen is something you do so often that your phone absolutely has to do that and do it flawlessly, then yeah, I guess a midrange phone is not for you. But that's such a specific requirement, I can't exactly blame a company like Fairphone for not catering to those needs.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    What do you use a camera for? If itโ€™s only for scanning QR codes or whatever, fine. But if these are the photos that you take as memories of events in your life, why would you be content with them being grainy and low quality? I suppose itโ€™s a question of what youโ€™re used to.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    Most of my childhood memories have been saved on grainy, imperfect pictures and, yeah, I'm content with that and cherish them all the same (probably even more so, because that reflects the time in which they were made). If I want high-resolution photographs of something, I use a proper camera, but there's really nothing about "high-resolution" that implies "treasured memory" to me or vice versa.

    Considering that even a midrange smartphone today is leaps ahead of "real" cameras from the past, I guess a different way to phrase your question is "Am I content to have my memories preserved with the image quality of a camera from 20 years ago?". And the answer to that would be a clear "yes". But to each their own.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 5 months ago

    Absolutely not, even disposable cameras from 30 years ago are far better than midrange phone cameras. Maybe not so much in low light, but unlike phones they had a usable flash that solved that problem entirely for anything near the camera (e.g. group photos).

    I'd be not just content but thrilled if a phone could get close to analog 35mm full frame performance, but I'd say we're at least about 10 years away from a flagship phone taking photos as nice as a "normal", mid-range compact film camera from 1995.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 6 months ago

    My compact camera from more than 20 years ago took/takes pictures that are a lot better than the midrange cameras Iโ€™ve tried recently. The resolution in megapixels is higher in newer phone cameras, but that is not the same thing as quality. I really do not agree with midrange phones being leaps ahead. With good lighting they might be on a similar level.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 6 months ago

    I also wish they would do a flagship but idk if they are at a size to develop and support 2 new phones.

    I do think if they put flagship processors their phones that they would be more likely to last a long time and better fit with their selling point. But on the flip side, it then would (probably) be so expensive most people just couldn't afford it. That being said, I'm happy with the FP6 so far. Feels like the snappiest phone I've ever owned even though I had an S20 FE previously which, on paper, has similar performance in benchmarks.

    Hopefully one day they either release proper flagships or they make processors upgradable (probably even harder task tbh)

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 6 months ago

    Got my used xiaomi 13T for that big sensor ( + Leica optics for what it's worth) don't know if it's a 1" (checked, its a 1/1.28") but it's enough for me. It would be hard to switch down a lot.

    For the rest I don't really care.

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