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She lost to a convicted felon and rapist.
Why would she even try again?
Not only that but a convicted felon, rapist, who was polling at historically low levels going into election day.
Trump was not a hard to beat opponent.
My idea is that they rigged the election, every accusation is ...
Its not necessary to engage this.
We have all the credible evidence we need to demonstrate that Harris ran a losing campaign.
No you absolutely don't.
Riveting rebuttal. Truly rigorous.
Y'all keep saying that and he keeps winning. Maybe, just maybe, Trump is what America wants.
Biden was the worst candidate in polls against Trump. Harris was the second worst. In polls Trump was shown beating both. However, "unnamed democrat" wiped the floor with Trump. They could have run nearly anyone else... But the DNC decided not to let the voters chose who to vote for.
Lol y'all just refuse to address the shit in the room
Yes it's us refusing to accept things.
Yes it is.
This is not the first election; the US has been putting lunatics in for years with turnouts of barely 60%.
Who else is to blame?
Okay. Show me the evidence in that case. Show me the polls that had Trump with high approval ratings. Refute that case that another democrat that was actually chosen by voters would have lost. You can't because that's not what the evidence shows.
Don’t move goalposts. You can clearly read what I wrote; that they’ve been electing lunatics for years and that their turnouts to elections are barely 60%.
Again stop adding shit because you can’t handle the fact that the responsibility for this lies at the feet of US voters.
Redundant, because they’re your pull ins.
Just do the right, easiest thing instead of fucking whining. That was voting. Now, it’s peaceful shutdown.
Move the goal posts? Mother fucker were saying he was wildly unpopular and the shutlib class insisted we run one of either two of the only Democrats s incapable of beating him.
You the one saying otherwise you dumb mfer, so you gotta put up or shut up.
I said they’re flat out getting 60% at any turnout and they’ve been electing lunatics for years.
I said that based on the run of excuses I’m seeing here, that it’s the reason the country is where it is now and that it’s a fact.
No, you shitcunts are the ones trying to pin me to the earlier comment (which I couldn’t give a rats arse about; it’s probably fair) you’re all bitching about. I agree with the person commenting with me: clean your fucking room. Stop finding excuses for why this one was lost as well as the others: that you can’t fucking vote in numbers. Regardless of the Dem candidate, and whatever election.
Fuck off with your shitlib and dUmB MoFo shit. Vote. Clean up your fuckin room
In the meantime piss off, it’s Saturday like I said to other old mate
If you gonna spout shit off then not back it up, just take a step back and don't spout. I'm not the shutlib defending dogshit Democrats.
You come to a politics forum, disagree with some one on a political matter, then get pissed when people ask for the receipts?
Two points worth restating: Trump wasn't not a popular candidate in 2024.
That can be backed up with an enormous amount of evidence.
Second point: The only candidates less popular with voters were Biden, and then Harris.
That's the two points being made. You can disagree with them but then the onus is on you to show why it's not the case.
I didn't move the goal posts... That's what you're trying to do. Your responding to my comment by making a totally different argument. I'll keep waiting for your evidence.
No I’m not. They are where they are because not only do they refuse to vote in numbers, they’ve elected lunatics for years, which is what I pointed out.
That reason, and that alone, is why the US is where it is. Shove your 3viDeNcE ReqUiR3mEnt up your arse.
This is the comment you're replying to. Still waiting for you're evidence.
Nope, I’m replying to your whiny reply and agreeing with the other comment with mine; you refuse to address the shit in your room.
As for that earlier comment, unnamed Democrat might have, who fuckin knows? You know who beat both? Did Not Vote.
Now piss off and stop whining. It’s Saturday arvo here.
Still waiting for your evidence.
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It is, tho.
I think his interns have to address it when he shits in the room.
Keep keeping your head in the sand regarding Democrats then.
2024 wasn't Trumps success: It was Democrats failure.
Understand the difference.
Perhaps it's both? Democrats certainly failed to get fence sitters to vote, but lots of people actively chose (and are still choosing) Trump. Look at the young male Black and Latino demographics. They didn't just sit out a Democrat vote, they actively chose Trump. The Dems may be reasonably accused of failing to activate the leftist voters who sat it out/voted third party, but Trump is STILL sitting at 35%+ approval. Americans DID choose Trump. Trump is a symptom of the disease, not the cause. They love ICE abducting people. They love tariffs. They love him attempting to bully Canada, Mexico and Europe.
It's easy to lose sight of this on Lemmy which is pretty far left of the current Overton window, but enough normies actively support what's going on. It may be a minority of Americans, but between MAGA core and undecideds, it's very foolish to say America did not choose Trump actively. The leftist no vote/undecided demographic the Dems lost was far smaller than the MAGA and MAGA curious.
People aren't that simple.
Some are. But not 35%.
When people look at their life and the world they're in and see it's all fucked, they want somone to do something about it. Trump points to immigrants, saying it's their fault everything's fucked, and he'll do whatever it takesto fix it. While Harris and the Democrats say most things are fine. In a crisis, people will vote for anyone who promises to do something, when there's nobody else offering a counter proposal.
If the Democrats had a decent candidate who was willing acknowledge how bad things are, and to truly talk about how to fix things for the average person. It would be stunning how small Trumps polling would get.
I'm not going to say Biden was perfect, but many of the "investments" Trump is using as proof of victory came as a direct result of Biden policies like the inflation reduction act, chips act, etc. He inherited inflation directly as a result of Trump abandoning "project lightspeed" and choosing to let COVID run wild, which triggered free money which triggered severe inflation, which is why people were pissed off. By 2024, prices were still elevated but inflation itself was under control. Kamala ran on "we beat inflation, and its all uphill from here" (they did, and their policies are continuing to benefit Americans), and Trump ran on "I'll reduce prices to what they were pre-COVID" (deflation is usually bad). Lina Khan was actually pursuing antitrust suits for the first time in this millennium, and the department of labor was generally siding with unions. I think the reality is that Democratic party PR is absolute shit. The main pressure of inflation was under control late in Biden admin, and Trump sold the voterbase a myth with directly lower prices.
I get what you're saying about people being desperate, but the reality is that real wage growth was higher under Biden than Trump 1 and they chose Trump 2 anyways.
Real wage growth was still negligible under Biden.
People don't notice low single diget percentage changes.
But that's not even important. Biden, Harris, the Democrats generally, were shit at selling to the public all the good things he did. They couldn't point their finger at a real problem and explain how they'd solve it, because the real problem is their donors.
The best thing he did was appoint Lina Khan. And Harris was dogged by the donor class during the campaign to get rid of her. That's the problem.
I agree with most of that but not all. People don't notice single digit, but it's still meaningful when you're talking real wage growth. Wages grew faster than inflation, even if only by single-digit. The reality was overruled by the fact that post COVID inflation had raised prices. The Democrat plan was to maintain positive, compounding real wage growth.
Biden identified falling industrial output and employment and enacted subsidies via CHIPS etc al which resulted in real shovels in real dirt building semiconductor plants in upstate NY, new construction of wind and solar plants, etc. Biden identified high pharmaceutical prices and enacted the first ever group negotiated purchasing rates for 10 drugs with more on the way for his 2nd term. Anticompetitive practices, Lina Khan. Crimes against the state, Jack Smith. Historically low violent crime rates, a successful opioid addiction policy seeing massively falling OD rates...
He and Kamala had two practical failures in Merrick Garland and Palestinian policy. The rest was an optical nightmare, and I'm not sure where the failure was but I'm not sure it was with "the donors". Kamala spent a shitload more money than Trump and somehow all anyone ever heard was "Killer Kamala" and "but she laughs weird". Whatever caused that, I think is the ultimate failure of the party.
Whatever you have to tell yourself
Its called living in a fact based reality. Try it some time.
Sure
Excusing and apologizing for Democrats is why we're in fascism. Excusing Democrats for their persistent failure isn't adjacent to why we're here, its the central mechanism. When you do these apologetics, this mental gymnastics of excusing Democrats and their approach to politics as only acceptable way to pursue power, and yet are also permanently victims and utterly incapable of winning elections and never responsible for the obvious outcomes easily, and consistently predicted from their actions; When doing these apologetics, you are paving the way for fascism.
We would have never ended up here without the apologists setting the table for fascism.
No
Democrats, as a party, handed this country to fascism on a silver platter.
You, the apologist, tidied up the room for Democrats and let them know it was ok by you for them to do what they were doing. That they didn't need to resist fascism, you'd support them anyways. They didn't need to pursue black and brown voters, those voters owed Democrats their vote and didn't have another option: they still had your vote. That Palestinians don't really matter as a people and that the money AIPAC has to offer should be enough to compensate, and you would continue dontating. That for every blue collar worker they lose they'll gain two white collar workers in the suburbs. Excusing the Democrats excuses fascism: Its why were here and its what you're doing.
No
Riveting defense.
I'm sure you'll be certain to bring HEAPS of voters back into the fold by blaming them for accurately assessing that Democrats had squandered the political capitol they empowered them with in 2020.
No
Every time you say no, another neoliberal get an APAIC donation.
Well that sucks
You should stop carrying water then.
Dems need to give as many options as possible for the upper middle class to avoid paying more in taxes.
The upper middle class already pays too much in taxes. They're ones paying ~40%.
It's the wealthiest 0.01% who're only paying a tiny fraction of that. They're the ones who need to be taxed more. They're the "Donor Class" who drop $20-100k on political donations each cycle. Which of course is another tax deduction for them to take advantage of.
Uhh where are you where political donations, either to candidates directly, or to PAC/501c(4) are deductible?
They are not. It says so right on the ActBlue page and everywhere else. It's a legal requirement that people be notified that their donations are not tax deductible.
I didn't realise that. I just assumed I guess.
I'd say that I wish they were, particularly as during this cycle I'm stretching my budget to sprinkle some around on good candidates, win or lose.
But, overall I think they should NOT be deductible.
I also agree with your sentiment that people in the ~120k range are firmly "middle class" now for whatever that's worth.
Of course, there are regional variables too
that money in Jackson MS is very different than in Brooklyn NY
Both need to be taxed more, along with systemic changes to reduce the cost of living.
Where do you think the upper middle is?
It's your entry level doctor or lawyer. Your average engineer or licensed construction worker. People making ~$120k/year. They aren't the problem, and they're already the most taxed people we have.
Don't lump them in with the CEOs making 400x what their median employee gets. We need them on our side.
They're closer to us, than them. The difference between 120 and 40 is 80. The difference between 120 and 1000 is 880. 11 times as far.
Because she’s next and it’s her turn. They decided.
They’ll give AOC as vice as an olive branch because they think the voter is stupid and to be fair they’ve been given no reason to doubt that.