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[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 47 points 3 months ago

Central coordination without a state hierarchy is entirely possible.

Its not a state, its a insert extremely convoluted term that does everything a state does

These gentlemen think when they have changed the names of things, they have changed the things themselves. That is how these profound thinkers mock the whole world.

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[-] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 months ago

In fairness, a lot of socialist theory has a distinction between a "state" and a "government". The former is the repressive apparatus (police, army and ideological state aparatuses) and the latter consists of the civilian administration which deals with centralised organisation of labor/economy. This is why marx could describe a "stateless society" as developed-communism.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 3 months ago

But in that case we again land on square one problem of pushing the communism button instantly.

[-] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 months ago

Yeah. I'm an ML

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 months ago

Even the non-repressive function of states need hierarchies. All administration needs specialists, managers, organization.

Think of a hospital, or a large-scale engineering project. There is no conceivable way these could be run without hierarchies and centralized control.

[-] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 months ago

Oh yeah the hierarchy stuff has always been out of control with anarchists. But anarchism itself is just stateless society. The rest, anarchists disagree on heavily.

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