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[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 7 months ago (1 child) Sounds a lot like democratic centralism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml -5 points 7 months ago (2 children) The "delegation and recall" part of it? Totally! The "vanguard party" and "DotP" parts? Not so much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 7 months ago (1 child) A Vanguard Party is just the most dedicated and ideologically advanced people working together. It doesn't have to call itself a party at all. DotP is the state machine being in the hands of the proletarian class. If one accepts the concept of classes, that should be a nonissue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) I'm just answering a poster saying anarchism is a lot like democratic centralism. Some parts are similar (delegation and recall), others are not at all (vanguard party, dotp) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago What do you get in the absence of a DotP? permalink fedilink source parent [–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 7 months ago (1 child) Lol then I'll ask the age old question of how do you expect to protect your revolution with no vanguard or DoTP? How do you stop the systemic issue of racism without an actual system to suppress it? That was the chief reason as to why I thought anarchism was silly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 7 months ago (1 child) how do you expect to protect your revolution with no vanguard or DoTP? This is literally what I wrote in my first comment: My disagreement with anarchism is different: I think only a state with a strong coercive apparatus can survive sustained imperial pressure and capitalist encirclement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago (1 child) Why not just be an ML at that point, you're already like 75% there lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) I am an ML. I never said I'm an anarchist I'm just explaining what anarchism is and it's not what a lot of people here think it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Malkhodr@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think they were asking why, if anarchists are already 75% of thecway there, don't just become MLs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ldnsbestgay@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago as an ex-anarchist who is now an ML, I read more lmao permalink fedilink source parent [–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 7 months ago That's fair 👍🏿 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml -5 points 7 months ago (2 children) The "delegation and recall" part of it? Totally! The "vanguard party" and "DotP" parts? Not so much. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 7 months ago (1 child) A Vanguard Party is just the most dedicated and ideologically advanced people working together. It doesn't have to call itself a party at all. DotP is the state machine being in the hands of the proletarian class. If one accepts the concept of classes, that should be a nonissue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) I'm just answering a poster saying anarchism is a lot like democratic centralism. Some parts are similar (delegation and recall), others are not at all (vanguard party, dotp) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago What do you get in the absence of a DotP? permalink fedilink source parent [–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 7 months ago (1 child) Lol then I'll ask the age old question of how do you expect to protect your revolution with no vanguard or DoTP? How do you stop the systemic issue of racism without an actual system to suppress it? That was the chief reason as to why I thought anarchism was silly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 7 months ago (1 child) how do you expect to protect your revolution with no vanguard or DoTP? This is literally what I wrote in my first comment: My disagreement with anarchism is different: I think only a state with a strong coercive apparatus can survive sustained imperial pressure and capitalist encirclement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago (1 child) Why not just be an ML at that point, you're already like 75% there lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) I am an ML. I never said I'm an anarchist I'm just explaining what anarchism is and it's not what a lot of people here think it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Malkhodr@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think they were asking why, if anarchists are already 75% of thecway there, don't just become MLs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ldnsbestgay@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago as an ex-anarchist who is now an ML, I read more lmao permalink fedilink source parent [–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 7 months ago That's fair 👍🏿 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 7 months ago (1 child) A Vanguard Party is just the most dedicated and ideologically advanced people working together. It doesn't have to call itself a party at all. DotP is the state machine being in the hands of the proletarian class. If one accepts the concept of classes, that should be a nonissue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) I'm just answering a poster saying anarchism is a lot like democratic centralism. Some parts are similar (delegation and recall), others are not at all (vanguard party, dotp) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago What do you get in the absence of a DotP? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 7 months ago (1 child) I'm just answering a poster saying anarchism is a lot like democratic centralism. Some parts are similar (delegation and recall), others are not at all (vanguard party, dotp) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago What do you get in the absence of a DotP? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago What do you get in the absence of a DotP? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 7 months ago (1 child) Lol then I'll ask the age old question of how do you expect to protect your revolution with no vanguard or DoTP? How do you stop the systemic issue of racism without an actual system to suppress it? That was the chief reason as to why I thought anarchism was silly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 7 months ago (1 child) how do you expect to protect your revolution with no vanguard or DoTP? This is literally what I wrote in my first comment: My disagreement with anarchism is different: I think only a state with a strong coercive apparatus can survive sustained imperial pressure and capitalist encirclement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago (1 child) Why not just be an ML at that point, you're already like 75% there lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) I am an ML. I never said I'm an anarchist I'm just explaining what anarchism is and it's not what a lot of people here think it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Malkhodr@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think they were asking why, if anarchists are already 75% of thecway there, don't just become MLs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ldnsbestgay@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago as an ex-anarchist who is now an ML, I read more lmao permalink fedilink source parent [–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 7 months ago That's fair 👍🏿 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 7 months ago (1 child) how do you expect to protect your revolution with no vanguard or DoTP? This is literally what I wrote in my first comment: My disagreement with anarchism is different: I think only a state with a strong coercive apparatus can survive sustained imperial pressure and capitalist encirclement. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago (1 child) Why not just be an ML at that point, you're already like 75% there lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) I am an ML. I never said I'm an anarchist I'm just explaining what anarchism is and it's not what a lot of people here think it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Malkhodr@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think they were asking why, if anarchists are already 75% of thecway there, don't just become MLs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ldnsbestgay@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago as an ex-anarchist who is now an ML, I read more lmao permalink fedilink source parent [–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 7 months ago That's fair 👍🏿 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 7 months ago (1 child) Why not just be an ML at that point, you're already like 75% there lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) I am an ML. I never said I'm an anarchist I'm just explaining what anarchism is and it's not what a lot of people here think it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Malkhodr@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think they were asking why, if anarchists are already 75% of thecway there, don't just become MLs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ldnsbestgay@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago as an ex-anarchist who is now an ML, I read more lmao permalink fedilink source parent [–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 7 months ago That's fair 👍🏿 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Red_Scare@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children) I am an ML. I never said I'm an anarchist I'm just explaining what anarchism is and it's not what a lot of people here think it is. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Malkhodr@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think they were asking why, if anarchists are already 75% of thecway there, don't just become MLs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ldnsbestgay@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago as an ex-anarchist who is now an ML, I read more lmao permalink fedilink source parent [–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 7 months ago That's fair 👍🏿 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Malkhodr@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 7 months ago (1 child) I think they were asking why, if anarchists are already 75% of thecway there, don't just become MLs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ldnsbestgay@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago as an ex-anarchist who is now an ML, I read more lmao permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ldnsbestgay@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 7 months ago as an ex-anarchist who is now an ML, I read more lmao permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nocturnedragonite@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 7 months ago That's fair 👍🏿 permalink fedilink source parent