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Dunning Kruger Kurtzman Trek (thelemmy.club)
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Classic pop Dunning-Kruger graph with Star Trek Starfleet Academy at peak over-confident stupid.
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[–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

You don't do a lot to make me stop laughing.

I haven't watched Academy or care to do so. But thinking there was no interpersonal conflict between Starfleet personnel before or attribute it to being stationed in a borderland... DS9 started with interpersonal conflict between Sisko and Picard. The very appeal of DS9 was a commander/captain who defied Roddenberry's principles. It doesn't matter if that was explained with certain circumstances, it matters that that was part of why DS9 was good (being excellently written didn't do damage either).

I don't recall TNG having nearly every line of dialogue be spitting foul mouthed adhominems in searing hateful tones, like SFA has.

I didn't state anything in that direction, and I couldn't (since I haven't watched Academy). I stated that TNG was best when interpersonal conflict was the vessel the writers conveyed the discussion of philosophies. Or just told interesting stories with.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I don’t recall TNG having nearly every line of dialogue be spitting foul mouthed adhominems in searing hateful tones, like SFA has.

    I didn’t state anything in that direction,

    My reductio-absurdist over-emphasis of the other side, aside, it was interpreted as strongly implied (stated by context) in:

    What an atrocious affront to the guiding principles Gene Roddenberry put in place. No interpersonal conflict??

    Lol. If that is your issue with newer Trek, why do you list DS9 as great? Or (later) TNG? VOY is boring, unnecessarily devoid of most character development but still carried much interpersonal conflict. LMAO.

    and, given

    and I couldn’t (since I haven’t watched Academy)

    might be why that was missed what I was referring to. Give it a go. You'll see.

    I stated that TNG was best when interpersonal conflict was the vessel the writers conveyed the discussion of philosophies.

    I don't see heated and impassioned debate about the morality, metaphysics, philosophy, spirituality, ethics etc as interpersonal conflict. ... But like I say, it's been a few years, maybe I need to rewatch TNG's later seasons to get an idea of what interpersonal conflict is there that you're referring to.

    PS, if you want character development in VOY, look to Kes (at least in her penultimate 2 episodes), 7of9, Tom Paris, B'Lana Torres, Harry Kim, and the Doctor. ... Oh wait, that's most characters. But yeah, is much like the ship, near blown to smithereens and then next episode, reset back to normal like nothing happened. DS9's character growths was stronger, as was more the intent with it, than to have a consistent platform for starship space exploration stories[1]. But even after O'Brian spent several simulated years in a prison, he seemed back to normal next episode. Yeah, there's lots to pick at it each, if you really want to go out of your way to break the suspension of disbelief and break out of it, and into critical analysis. Harder work to get into suspension of disbelief with the KurtzmanTrek.

    ::: spoiler [1: weird side idea...]

    it's kinda like how western tropical astrology moved the dial to fit the people, and eastern sidereal moved the dial to fit the stars. ~ okay, weird esoteric side notion. n_n

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I don't see heated and impassioned debate about the morality, metaphysics, philosophy, spirituality, ethics etc as interpersonal conflict.

    If you have two characters with different morals, philosophies, world views etc, and they argue about that, yes, that is interpersonal conflict. Conflict between characters does not have to result in strife, insults, hatred or friendships breaking up.

    if you want character development in VOY, look to Kes (at least in her penultimate 2 episodes), 7of9, Tom Paris, B'Lana Torres, Harry Kim, and the Doctor.

    Wait, you think these characters had development and arcs? Those were mostly flatlines (besides the Doctor). If younreally think that's character development, that's all I need to know to conclude discussing storytelling and fiction with you is pointless lol. Bye.

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