▲ 867 ▼ F*** You! Co-Creator of Go Language is Rightly Furious Over This Appreciation Email (itsfoss.com) submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 119 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://bsky.app/profile/robpike.io/post/3matwg6w3ic2s
[+] natecox@programming.dev 55 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] lena@gregtech.eu 11 points 8 months ago (2 children) I appreciate Pike's attitude, but it's like Go has ignored all the advancements in programming languages for the part 30 years https://fasterthanli.me/articles/lies-we-tell-ourselves-to-keep-using-golang 4 years old article, but still relevant permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gremour@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* Well written article. Also points are valid. What I disagree with is that author overestimates dangers that those ugly aspects pose. There are linters and unit tests to catch those things before they reach production. I can't quickly recall when the last time failure to initialize a structure field was a source of bug that was pushed to master (in fact, I love to use zero values as intended). Most bugs I remember are the logical ones, which no compiller can prevent. But then, I am senior developer, so maybe I can't understand the struggles of juniors. It may well be that Go is not adequate for production services unless your shop is literally made up of Go experts (Tailscale) or you have infinite money to spend on engineering costs (Google). Reality says otherwise. I worked for a few large companies that chose Go as their main code base language. I can also see wide adoption of Go as backend language. It not only did not increase development or maintenance costs of those products, but reduced them. From the perspective of developer, who used C++ before Go. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago* Yeah, anything that gets a rise out of the creators of Go is good in my book. The guy still thinks computers have 64 KB of memory and we need to economize on the length of identifiers. Nothing he says or does should be taken seriously in this day. He'd probably like an appreciation note if it was written with all vowels taken out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lena@gregtech.eu 11 points 8 months ago (2 children) I appreciate Pike's attitude, but it's like Go has ignored all the advancements in programming languages for the part 30 years https://fasterthanli.me/articles/lies-we-tell-ourselves-to-keep-using-golang 4 years old article, but still relevant permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gremour@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* Well written article. Also points are valid. What I disagree with is that author overestimates dangers that those ugly aspects pose. There are linters and unit tests to catch those things before they reach production. I can't quickly recall when the last time failure to initialize a structure field was a source of bug that was pushed to master (in fact, I love to use zero values as intended). Most bugs I remember are the logical ones, which no compiller can prevent. But then, I am senior developer, so maybe I can't understand the struggles of juniors. It may well be that Go is not adequate for production services unless your shop is literally made up of Go experts (Tailscale) or you have infinite money to spend on engineering costs (Google). Reality says otherwise. I worked for a few large companies that chose Go as their main code base language. I can also see wide adoption of Go as backend language. It not only did not increase development or maintenance costs of those products, but reduced them. From the perspective of developer, who used C++ before Go. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago* Yeah, anything that gets a rise out of the creators of Go is good in my book. The guy still thinks computers have 64 KB of memory and we need to economize on the length of identifiers. Nothing he says or does should be taken seriously in this day. He'd probably like an appreciation note if it was written with all vowels taken out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gremour@lemmy.world 1 point 8 months ago* Well written article. Also points are valid. What I disagree with is that author overestimates dangers that those ugly aspects pose. There are linters and unit tests to catch those things before they reach production. I can't quickly recall when the last time failure to initialize a structure field was a source of bug that was pushed to master (in fact, I love to use zero values as intended). Most bugs I remember are the logical ones, which no compiller can prevent. But then, I am senior developer, so maybe I can't understand the struggles of juniors. It may well be that Go is not adequate for production services unless your shop is literally made up of Go experts (Tailscale) or you have infinite money to spend on engineering costs (Google). Reality says otherwise. I worked for a few large companies that chose Go as their main code base language. I can also see wide adoption of Go as backend language. It not only did not increase development or maintenance costs of those products, but reduced them. From the perspective of developer, who used C++ before Go. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world -2 points 8 months ago* Yeah, anything that gets a rise out of the creators of Go is good in my book. The guy still thinks computers have 64 KB of memory and we need to economize on the length of identifiers. Nothing he says or does should be taken seriously in this day. He'd probably like an appreciation note if it was written with all vowels taken out. permalink fedilink source parent