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Look, I actually have to spend my time around Americans. I dislike them probably more than a lot of people who say stuff like in [https://www.reddit.com/r/TankieTheDeprogram/s/eHww4UALHm](this thread). But it's not out of lack of trying.

But that's besides the point. No other country's people gets treated this way. And no, I'm not going to say I'm more oppressed than people in the global south or whatever. In fact a lot of psychological problems result from the fact that I'm privileged to be in the global north.

But Americans are so often...dismissed. That's the only term i can come up with. But everyone talks about it in such idealist matter. They always talk individuals or idealism or whatever. The closest to material analysis is "the proletariat's material conditions are closer aligned to the imperialist Bourgeoisie." But that doesn't just apply to Americans.

But, look. Why doesn't any other people get treated this way? Genuinely. I don't think Stalin sat down and said "well Germany lost a major world war and went through multiple economic crises and still hasn't had a socialist revolution. So obviously it's a lost cause, kill all of them." Japan and South Korea are never treated this way, despite being very arguably in similar boats. And if we want to talk about material conditions, what about Indonesia or Iran or Cambodia or so many other nations? They haven't had socialist revolutions yet despite their material conditions, so does that mean these people are useless treatlerites too?

I'm sorry. I know, again, we're in the imperial core, we're privileged. I don't know what part of my mentally ill brain it is, but it's just that the logic completely fails for me and that gives me anxiety, because reasons. Not just that, but the actual oppression of the communist and self determination movements here are also just ignored.

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[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago

Tbf I say similar things about my country (Guatemala) and Latin America as a whole. I feel our settler-colonial culture and how many are easily swayed by American cultural exports leaves us as nearly a lost cause with only the indigenous really attempting something resembling leftism.

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

I would like to add that Afro-Latinos are usually also pretty left-wing and well organized, same for some feminist/lgbtq+ groups.

[-] Marat@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 month ago

Oh...i didn't think it was that bad down there. I mean, Argentina sure, but the rest?

[-] i_c_b_m@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 month ago

Chile just elected the son of a ratline Nazi. Ecuador is run by a US puppet druglord. Take a look at a map of US military and CIA bases in Colombia and take a wild guess at how it produces so much cocaine. The anti-communist massacres, coups and purges of Op Condor never really ended, which brings us to the present moment with Venezuela. It's very hard to build any socialist momentum when the Fourth Reich keep kicking over your sandcastles.

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

Don't forget, every time a socialist goverment or even a social democrat goverment appears here the US does everything possible to destroy them.

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Argentina sure, but the rest?

Bolivian leader Morales, of an indigenous background if I recall correctly, was an amazing leader for his country; the white party that ~~replaced~~ couped him literally had a leader who called the indigenous population Satan worshippers and were (libertarian?) American vassals.

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

I think you're confusing Quiroga with Paz a bit. Paz (he is mestizo not white) is the libertarian us bootlicker and Quiroga (he is white) is the openly racist far-right US bootlicker. Evo was replaced by Luis Arce who is a socdem and also native american. Evo's vp was also a white Bolivian.

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

I looked it up and it was an interim president, Jeanine Anez

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

I thought you meant as leader of the political party MAS not as president of Bolivia.

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Argentina is not as conservative as countries like Paraguay or Peru (still pretty bad but not as racist as the US or Canada. They did try to erase mestizo and black history in Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil for many years). Paraguay have been ruled by the same political party since 1954, 80% of the population hate the LGBTQ+, the US made sure to keep in power a literal pedophile until 1989. Paraguay actively wanted to participate on the Vietnam war and genocide against Palestinians.

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