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"Earning a living" (lemmy.ml)
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[+] -7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (9 children)

Narcissistic delusion is not the basis for an entire human life. That person you're bringing into the world has to exist for decades, and the next few decades¹ are not something I would condemn anyone to. Doing that is sick, its selfish, and its abusive.

Maybe once we start fixing shit, and there's a chance of not deliberately putting a child through hell.

¹we can't even imagine a future that isn't hellish anymore. Even our fictions have forgotten utopia.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    I guess you had a pretty unpleasant life so far? Not everybody's has sucked. But I don't think I need to form a coherent argument against 'all reproduction is inherently morally bankrupt ' - it's such deliberate bait that it rejects good faith discussion off-hand.

    Is there a more coherent argument to be made against hyper-natalists? Yes, I think that could plausibly be upheld. But that would be a more nuanced stance. The world, despite its trajectory, is not a hellscape.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago* (7 children)

    I'm not delusional about climate change and fascism. Your children will not have your life, asshole. You cannot promise them that. You cannot comprehend how grim this shit is going to get. I'm not really joking about my plan to die in the water wars.

    Nobody who breeds right now, in 2025, should be allowed to keep them unless they're going hard on revolution. Like, anything short of the parents from 'one battle after another' you shouldn't be allowed to keep the kid, you are not responsible enough to care for a child.

    This was not the case, arguably, 20 40 60 years ago. This is not anti natalist, this is considering the life that will be available to ypur hypothetical child, the life you are forcing someone to have to live.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Batshit doomerism, you sound like one of those religious nuts expecting the rapture any minute. You don't have some privileged insight into 'how bad things are gonna get' or whatever hypothetical revolution you've conjectured, yet you presume to lecture others about it. Please, tell me again about narcissism and what it consists of.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    You're right everything's fine, would you be willing to buy some land in the Marshall islands off me?

    No? I dont have any special fucking knowledge you don't have access to, 'Cadillac desert' and 'desert' are not the fucking necronomicon; you can get them like anywhere. Zlibrary, Anna's archive, your local library, wherever the fuck else. You just want to keep pretending, so why the fuck would you?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (4 children)

    If you think things 60 years ago were all peachy you must still be a child

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Any excuse to do what you want with no consideration for the lives of others, right?

    I could explain how now is different, but you don't care.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Look up all the horrible things that were happening 60 years ago. It was far worse than now. And people had babies. Including your parents.

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