▲ 221 ▼ Quantum teleportation between photons from two distant light sources achieved (phys.org) submitted 10 months ago by Domino@quokk.au to c/technology@lemmy.world 30 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -12 points 10 months ago (20 children) What's the use for this permalink fedilink source hideshow 20 child comments replies: [–] Jyrdano@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (6 children) Did you even read the article? Its mentioned right at the beginning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -16 points 9 months ago (5 children) Yeah and we already have post quantum encryption so what reason do we need a quantum internet permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] r00ty@kbin.life 19 points 9 months ago (4 children) Pretty sure this was made clear in the article but... I'll outline the little I know on the subject as a complete layman. Currently we have been able to use quantum effects to create single runs of fibre that cannot be intercepted. That is, if the data is intercepted by any known means the receiver will be able to detect this. The shortcoming of this method, is that of course when you need to amplify the signal, that's generally a "store and forward" operation and thus would also break this system's detection. You could I guess perform the same operation wherever it is amplified, but it's then another point in which monitoring could happen. If you want 1 trusted sender, 1 trusted receiver and nothing in between, this is a problem. What this article is saying, is they have found a way to amplify the information without ever "reading" it. Therefore keeping the data integrity showing as "unseen" (for want of a better word). As such this will allow "secure" (I guess?) fibre runs of greater distances in the future. Now the article does go into some detail about how this works and why. But, for the basic aspect of why this is a good and useful thing. This is pretty much what you need to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -7 points 9 months ago (3 children) Nar I get that. My point is what's the point of transferring quantum information. The only advantage I can see is doing a single quantum computation via decentralised nodes that are a significant distance from each other. But by the nature of quantum computations its not a useful thing to do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] r00ty@kbin.life 11 points 9 months ago This is for communication, not computation or even cryptography. The point in transferring it this way is so as to maintain the unseen property of the photon. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Bro, read. It's literally in his comment. If the data is intercepted, the receiver knowns. It's a huge advantage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago Prevents MITM attacks. Stops em dead in the tracks. Detect the compromise before transmission of the data. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Domino@quokk.au [S] 4 points 10 months ago Nothing personal, kid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Lag-free communication. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Slotos@feddit.nl 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Slag free communication? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Slug-free communication. Finally! permalink fedilink source parent [+] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -2 points 9 months ago (6 children) We have proven that's impossible. Speed limit c Einstein enforced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] makyo@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (3 children) Why impossible? Genuinely curious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) Physics. But their is scientific consensus that you can't transfer information faster than light. Our maths for both quantum physics and Einsteinian physics have both proven its impossible. Ohh and it fundamentally breaks causation. Grandfather paradox type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago I've been lead to believe that it's like if the speed of causality is the north pole. You can approach it and reach the north pole but once you try to surpass the point at the north, you begin to move in the opposite direction. permalink fedilink source parent [–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago To simplify - c is the maximum speed at which a "cause" can be transferred. If I send a radio signal to turn on a light, and the light will only turn on in response to that signal, the signal cannot travel faster than c otherwise it would not have been able to turn on the light. permalink fedilink source parent [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago Depends on how much time you got innit permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 0 points 9 months ago* Teleportation is instantaneous; there is 0 travel time.🤦♂️ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jyrdano@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (6 children) Did you even read the article? Its mentioned right at the beginning. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -16 points 9 months ago (5 children) Yeah and we already have post quantum encryption so what reason do we need a quantum internet permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] r00ty@kbin.life 19 points 9 months ago (4 children) Pretty sure this was made clear in the article but... I'll outline the little I know on the subject as a complete layman. Currently we have been able to use quantum effects to create single runs of fibre that cannot be intercepted. That is, if the data is intercepted by any known means the receiver will be able to detect this. The shortcoming of this method, is that of course when you need to amplify the signal, that's generally a "store and forward" operation and thus would also break this system's detection. You could I guess perform the same operation wherever it is amplified, but it's then another point in which monitoring could happen. If you want 1 trusted sender, 1 trusted receiver and nothing in between, this is a problem. What this article is saying, is they have found a way to amplify the information without ever "reading" it. Therefore keeping the data integrity showing as "unseen" (for want of a better word). As such this will allow "secure" (I guess?) fibre runs of greater distances in the future. Now the article does go into some detail about how this works and why. But, for the basic aspect of why this is a good and useful thing. This is pretty much what you need to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -7 points 9 months ago (3 children) Nar I get that. My point is what's the point of transferring quantum information. The only advantage I can see is doing a single quantum computation via decentralised nodes that are a significant distance from each other. But by the nature of quantum computations its not a useful thing to do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] r00ty@kbin.life 11 points 9 months ago This is for communication, not computation or even cryptography. The point in transferring it this way is so as to maintain the unseen property of the photon. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Bro, read. It's literally in his comment. If the data is intercepted, the receiver knowns. It's a huge advantage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago Prevents MITM attacks. Stops em dead in the tracks. Detect the compromise before transmission of the data. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -16 points 9 months ago (5 children) Yeah and we already have post quantum encryption so what reason do we need a quantum internet permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] r00ty@kbin.life 19 points 9 months ago (4 children) Pretty sure this was made clear in the article but... I'll outline the little I know on the subject as a complete layman. Currently we have been able to use quantum effects to create single runs of fibre that cannot be intercepted. That is, if the data is intercepted by any known means the receiver will be able to detect this. The shortcoming of this method, is that of course when you need to amplify the signal, that's generally a "store and forward" operation and thus would also break this system's detection. You could I guess perform the same operation wherever it is amplified, but it's then another point in which monitoring could happen. If you want 1 trusted sender, 1 trusted receiver and nothing in between, this is a problem. What this article is saying, is they have found a way to amplify the information without ever "reading" it. Therefore keeping the data integrity showing as "unseen" (for want of a better word). As such this will allow "secure" (I guess?) fibre runs of greater distances in the future. Now the article does go into some detail about how this works and why. But, for the basic aspect of why this is a good and useful thing. This is pretty much what you need to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -7 points 9 months ago (3 children) Nar I get that. My point is what's the point of transferring quantum information. The only advantage I can see is doing a single quantum computation via decentralised nodes that are a significant distance from each other. But by the nature of quantum computations its not a useful thing to do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] r00ty@kbin.life 11 points 9 months ago This is for communication, not computation or even cryptography. The point in transferring it this way is so as to maintain the unseen property of the photon. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Bro, read. It's literally in his comment. If the data is intercepted, the receiver knowns. It's a huge advantage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago Prevents MITM attacks. Stops em dead in the tracks. Detect the compromise before transmission of the data. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] r00ty@kbin.life 19 points 9 months ago (4 children) Pretty sure this was made clear in the article but... I'll outline the little I know on the subject as a complete layman. Currently we have been able to use quantum effects to create single runs of fibre that cannot be intercepted. That is, if the data is intercepted by any known means the receiver will be able to detect this. The shortcoming of this method, is that of course when you need to amplify the signal, that's generally a "store and forward" operation and thus would also break this system's detection. You could I guess perform the same operation wherever it is amplified, but it's then another point in which monitoring could happen. If you want 1 trusted sender, 1 trusted receiver and nothing in between, this is a problem. What this article is saying, is they have found a way to amplify the information without ever "reading" it. Therefore keeping the data integrity showing as "unseen" (for want of a better word). As such this will allow "secure" (I guess?) fibre runs of greater distances in the future. Now the article does go into some detail about how this works and why. But, for the basic aspect of why this is a good and useful thing. This is pretty much what you need to know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -7 points 9 months ago (3 children) Nar I get that. My point is what's the point of transferring quantum information. The only advantage I can see is doing a single quantum computation via decentralised nodes that are a significant distance from each other. But by the nature of quantum computations its not a useful thing to do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] r00ty@kbin.life 11 points 9 months ago This is for communication, not computation or even cryptography. The point in transferring it this way is so as to maintain the unseen property of the photon. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Bro, read. It's literally in his comment. If the data is intercepted, the receiver knowns. It's a huge advantage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago Prevents MITM attacks. Stops em dead in the tracks. Detect the compromise before transmission of the data. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -7 points 9 months ago (3 children) Nar I get that. My point is what's the point of transferring quantum information. The only advantage I can see is doing a single quantum computation via decentralised nodes that are a significant distance from each other. But by the nature of quantum computations its not a useful thing to do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] r00ty@kbin.life 11 points 9 months ago This is for communication, not computation or even cryptography. The point in transferring it this way is so as to maintain the unseen property of the photon. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Bro, read. It's literally in his comment. If the data is intercepted, the receiver knowns. It's a huge advantage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago Prevents MITM attacks. Stops em dead in the tracks. Detect the compromise before transmission of the data. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] r00ty@kbin.life 11 points 9 months ago This is for communication, not computation or even cryptography. The point in transferring it this way is so as to maintain the unseen property of the photon. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (1 child) Bro, read. It's literally in his comment. If the data is intercepted, the receiver knowns. It's a huge advantage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago Prevents MITM attacks. Stops em dead in the tracks. Detect the compromise before transmission of the data. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago Prevents MITM attacks. Stops em dead in the tracks. Detect the compromise before transmission of the data. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Domino@quokk.au [S] 4 points 10 months ago Nothing personal, kid. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 10 months ago (3 children) Lag-free communication. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Slotos@feddit.nl 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Slag free communication? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Slug-free communication. Finally! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Slotos@feddit.nl 2 points 9 months ago (2 children) No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Slag free communication? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Slug-free communication. Finally! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 child) Slag free communication? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Slug-free communication. Finally! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago Slug-free communication. Finally! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 1 point 10 months ago (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -2 points 9 months ago (6 children) We have proven that's impossible. Speed limit c Einstein enforced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] makyo@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (3 children) Why impossible? Genuinely curious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) Physics. But their is scientific consensus that you can't transfer information faster than light. Our maths for both quantum physics and Einsteinian physics have both proven its impossible. Ohh and it fundamentally breaks causation. Grandfather paradox type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago I've been lead to believe that it's like if the speed of causality is the north pole. You can approach it and reach the north pole but once you try to surpass the point at the north, you begin to move in the opposite direction. permalink fedilink source parent [–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago To simplify - c is the maximum speed at which a "cause" can be transferred. If I send a radio signal to turn on a light, and the light will only turn on in response to that signal, the signal cannot travel faster than c otherwise it would not have been able to turn on the light. permalink fedilink source parent [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago Depends on how much time you got innit permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 0 points 9 months ago* Teleportation is instantaneous; there is 0 travel time.🤦♂️ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com -2 points 9 months ago (6 children) We have proven that's impossible. Speed limit c Einstein enforced. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] makyo@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (3 children) Why impossible? Genuinely curious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) Physics. But their is scientific consensus that you can't transfer information faster than light. Our maths for both quantum physics and Einsteinian physics have both proven its impossible. Ohh and it fundamentally breaks causation. Grandfather paradox type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago I've been lead to believe that it's like if the speed of causality is the north pole. You can approach it and reach the north pole but once you try to surpass the point at the north, you begin to move in the opposite direction. permalink fedilink source parent [–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago To simplify - c is the maximum speed at which a "cause" can be transferred. If I send a radio signal to turn on a light, and the light will only turn on in response to that signal, the signal cannot travel faster than c otherwise it would not have been able to turn on the light. permalink fedilink source parent [–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago Depends on how much time you got innit permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 0 points 9 months ago* Teleportation is instantaneous; there is 0 travel time.🤦♂️ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] makyo@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (3 children) Why impossible? Genuinely curious permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) Physics. But their is scientific consensus that you can't transfer information faster than light. Our maths for both quantum physics and Einsteinian physics have both proven its impossible. Ohh and it fundamentally breaks causation. Grandfather paradox type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago I've been lead to believe that it's like if the speed of causality is the north pole. You can approach it and reach the north pole but once you try to surpass the point at the north, you begin to move in the opposite direction. permalink fedilink source parent [–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago To simplify - c is the maximum speed at which a "cause" can be transferred. If I send a radio signal to turn on a light, and the light will only turn on in response to that signal, the signal cannot travel faster than c otherwise it would not have been able to turn on the light. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 3 points 9 months ago (1 child) Physics. But their is scientific consensus that you can't transfer information faster than light. Our maths for both quantum physics and Einsteinian physics have both proven its impossible. Ohh and it fundamentally breaks causation. Grandfather paradox type shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago I've been lead to believe that it's like if the speed of causality is the north pole. You can approach it and reach the north pole but once you try to surpass the point at the north, you begin to move in the opposite direction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago I've been lead to believe that it's like if the speed of causality is the north pole. You can approach it and reach the north pole but once you try to surpass the point at the north, you begin to move in the opposite direction. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago To simplify - c is the maximum speed at which a "cause" can be transferred. If I send a radio signal to turn on a light, and the light will only turn on in response to that signal, the signal cannot travel faster than c otherwise it would not have been able to turn on the light. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 point 9 months ago Depends on how much time you got innit permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 0 points 9 months ago* Teleportation is instantaneous; there is 0 travel time.🤦♂️ permalink fedilink source parent