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After police used Flock cameras to accuse a Denver woman of theft, she had to prove her own innocence (coloradosun.com)
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[–] 62 points 10 months ago (3 children)

WTF? Do I have to allow shit in my car and phone to start tracking me to provide evidence in my favor when some ai decides it has "tracked" me? The only reason this lady got out of it without getting a lawyer and going to court is she allowed all the bullshit in her phone and car that I block. And if she didn't have it, what would have happened in court?

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    that's exactly what I got out of this whole situation.

    guilty until proven innocent.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago

    That's how they're running it, and there are a whole lot of people who would prefer it to run that way in the future.

    What should be happening is: when falsely accused and exonerated in court, you get a judgement against the LEA for treble damages for your costs to rebut their false claims.

    False claims are going to happen, but if they're costing the police thousands of dollars per instance, that should slow them down. I'm more than happy to pay increased taxes to put that deterrent on the agencies.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Yes, that's the point. Their glass ball and Tarot layout say you're guilty, so now you have to prove your innocence. And to prove your innocence you have to collect all the data on yourself.

    BTW, this is far more subtle than it seems, collecting and giving to someone all the info on yourself all the time is nonsense, but collecting it and having just in case for such situations might seem normal for many honest people. Except in fact these are the same, you don't have tools to collect it all without giving it to someone predictable. So this whole big tech and surveillance con abuses good faith participation in the society. And encourages everyone becoming a cheater.

    The police and other such people know that these are bullshit machines, but use them to cheat with impunity. Sometimes to charge a clearly innocent person, because they have an excuse - the computer did it. And the rest of us are incentivized to cheat to get better ratings for loans and worse ratings for scammers, and better danger rating so that police wouldn't just use as a scapegoat to close a case like this, instead choosing someone less dangerous.

    Wait till witchcraft becomes a crime again. Nobody would believe in it, of course, but it'd be an easy win for everyone except the convict.

    I don't care if Soviet caricatures ("Neznaika on the Moon" specifically) were wrong back then, they are correct now. I mean, yeah, they are correct everywhere now, but still.

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