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Cookies and Fascism (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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[–] -1 points 11 months ago (9 children)

But quoting me and eliding the part where I specifically note that such prejudice is lesser and understandable is bad form.

It's not like it was hidden from view for anyone reading the thread, or that I didn't make it clear that I was eliding a part of the quote.

People responding to their trauma isn't prejudice. What you're saying is rape culture. I'm an SA survivor myself. Telling me that my being cautious is somehow hateful towards men is a wild approach.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    Just because a judgement based on someone's sex or race is based on honest fear doesn't make it accurate or fair.

    You arent just "being cautious". This is a topic-based social media platform in the comments of a topic specially about the experiences of young men, where you've actively dismissed the subjective experiences of men even when we concede that our discomfort is of less urgency than your trauma.

    Whether or not you are motivated by hate, your actions can still do harm.

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    You arent just "being cautious".

    Pointing out that misandry doesn't exist is seperate from me being cautious in my everyday life. Trying to conflate the two as a gotcha to win an internet argument is also perpetuating rape culture.

    [...]where you've actively dismissed the subjective experiences of men even when we concede that our discomfort is of less urgency than your trauma.

    I haven't denied that men are treated with prejudice at times, or that they face discomfort. I am saying that the definition of, say, misogyny, is systemic. Therefore, misandry cannot exist in our current society.

    All of this honestly feels like an MRA op or something, similar to the "queer is a slur" TERF op in the early 2010s that started on tumblr. Innocent bystanders spread that stuff too, I'm not claiming you're an MRA.

    Seriously wondering about leaving the Fediverse because of this stuff. You literally don't ever see these takes on Bluesky, outside of some folks that get shunned, even amongst men there. I genuinely wonder if it's because there's no PoC on the fediverse, all of them have been chased off whenever they point out racism. If there were, they'd probably bite the head off anyone claiming you can be racist towards white people.

    Also just, people unironically using the term "terminally online leftists" in this thread is insane conservative nonsense. Other countries and cultures exist, and in most of them the Overton window is far to the left of the US'. I'm a member of a far left political party, I've been to rallies and involved with other leftist orgs. When conversations come up around the topic in the OP, no one says fuck men and no one says "misandry" is the problem. Most of the conversations centre around how to regulate US social media companies, how algorithms radicalise young men, how there's no way that's an accident.

    So I agree, figuring out a way to talk to young men already radicalised is important, and a discussion that is lacking in leftist spaces. But parroting MRA talking points, like that they are facing systemic prejudice, in order to deradicalise them just ain't it chief.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (5 children)

    Therefore, misandry cannot exist in our current society

    It can and does though, you changing your definition of these words to try and avoid reality and blaming criticism of your arguments on rape culture is exactly the sort of problematic behaviour that is pushing boys away from the left.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Except, it's not.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe you should try and be introspective about why you are twisting definitions to downplay poor behaviour from particular groups.

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    It's really fun how there's a bunch of men in my replies acting like their behaviour isn't misogynist right now :D

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    It's not misogynistic to point out when someone is wrong and to say they should consider their own biases. Jumping straight to assuming that is another example of the sort of behaviour which pushes men away from the left. Your comments read like a bad right wing caricature of the left so assuming you aren't a troll going for that persona I would recommend going and touching some grass.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    No, what I called out as misogynist was specifically you coming back to the thread hours later, finding another one of my comments in another chain to reply to, just to try and "win the internet" for the day. You don't agree? That's fine. But you trying to continue attacking me, you deciding you get to define rape culture, that's misogynistic.

    If I don't get to redefine misandrist, you don't get to redefine rape culture.

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