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Cookies and Fascism (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
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[–] 27 points 11 months ago* (10 children)

The only reason this conversation exists is because there are billions of dollars propping up right wing grifters that don't exist for the left. Like there ARE lefties in places like twitch, but for every one Hasan there's a hundred Asmongolds. This is all downstream from media ownership by the capital class. Jamie pull up the Lenin quote about The Economist.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    And? That doesn't change the fact that these spaces have inherently been beaming out "no boys allowed" for ages and then wondering why so many young men head elsewhere.

    Our enemies' tactics and financial backing doesn't absolve us of responsibility for our own shortcomings.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    these spaces have inherently been beaming out "no boys allowed" for ages

    I disagree that that's what they've been doing. That's what reactionaries often characterize them as doing

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Given the entire OP image and many of these comments, I really think you should reconsider.

    I'm not saying it's intentional or malicious, but there is a messaging and communication problem that is strongly contributing to ease at which the alt-right pipeline is recruiting teens and young men.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

    Am I misunderstanding you, or are you saying it requires billions of dollars to come up with effective messaging/marketing for the left, aimed at young boys and men?

    Like... I hear you that the funding gap is a huge and fundamental problem, but I frankly don't think its difficult at all to message leftist points to younger guys.

    Give them a set of principles to hold themselves to, and explain to them why these are good principles.

    'A good man helps out his community to the greatest extent he can, a good man doesn't hate others for no good reason, a good man is responsible enough to learn how to question what he is told so that he can discern the character and intent of others, a good man approaches the unknown and the strange not with fear, but with a measured yet hopeful curiosity'

    Reject toxic masculinity but don't just leave an empty void where it was, instead, actually replace it with an actually healthy and affirming masculinity.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    It's unclear whether it's required. What is very clear, is that a large, well funded, effort on the right seems to be out performing the efforts of the left.

    I think, it's safe to assume that there is a numbers game at play here. Money provides search optimization, higher production values, more creators able to spend more time on content, bot armies promoting content, generating likes, subscriptions, and comments.

    If that is possible to recreate through pure grass roots efforts we haven't seen it.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago*

    No, the whole point is that it is required, and becauase it isn't being done, identity-hungry consumers find people who actually are marketing to them, specifically.

    Like, sorry to put it in those terms, but that is the reality of it.

    How could it not be required? The young white male demographic just objectively did get more and more right wing radicalized in the last 5 to 10 years... you can either yell at them for that, or, do preventative care.

    It doesn't take a billion dollars to develop ways of talking about things and topics that work for that demo... there are tons of uh, for example, ex-religious people who will and do truly relate to the bullshit that a young white dude goes through growing up /very/ religiously, and they can tell you how their moral structure correctly led them to reject a whole bunch of right wing bullshit, and they're speaking genuinely.

    Would a billion dollars help with this kind of messaging?

    Sure, yeah.

    But it isn't required, it doesn't take a billion dollars to figure out how to talk to young white guys, young guys of any ethnicity... unless you're the DNC, then I guess this does apparently require giving small fortunes to a whole lot of contractor PR marketing people.

    What is required is the actual messaging, and then tie that back into the rest of a leftist worldview.

    Then you use the money to help spread that message further.

    If you start with the money and make messaging from there, you get David Pakman, you get Brian Tyler Cohen (Cowen? sp?), ie, not actually leftists.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    A good man helps out his community to the greatest extent he can, a good man doesn’t hate others for no good reason, a good man is responsible enough to learn how to question what he is told so that he can discern the character and intent of others, a good man approaches the unknown and the strange not with fear, but with a measured yet hopeful curiosity’<

    I won’t discount the controversies or vastly different experiences other people had with the organization, but those are all lessons that were drilled into my head during my time in the Boy Scouts.

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