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[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I agree with a lot of these, but Friday the 13th was clearly retconned between 1 and 2 and should be replaced with Nightmare on Elm Street.

Throughout Nightmare on Elm Street, Freddy is still Freddy and the details they change weren’t forced to make a decent sequel.

Friday the 13th was obviously retconned between 1 and 2. Spoilers for Friday the 13th parts 1 and 2 below.

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Jason is only in part 1 right at the very end, of course, and he’s a younger boy, 14 or so, kinda skinny, living at the bottom of Crystal Lake. It’s one of the best jump-scares ever if you’re not expecting it.

They made him a huge, hulking adult in part 2, retconning the major jump scare in part 1.

I think they talk about this in the book Crystal Lake Memories. They had to make him more menacing to make it interesting.

They weren’t wrong, it became the series trademark.

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[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

His mother was the murder in the first one and she was killed. Is having him grow up a retcon?

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[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Yes, as I said they very clearly talk about how they changed the character completely between 1 and 2 in the book of interviews about the movies.

Having a ghost child mysteriously grow up after being stuck in a lake and having his mom go on a murder spree was a retcon specifically for a sequel, yeah. They retroactively changed Jason’s continuity for the sequels.

When was the last time you saw these movies? If it was recently we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

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[–] IWW4@lemmy.zip 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

But there really isn’t much those movies… a bunch of really hot teenagers go off to a lake and a dude chops the, up with the super creepy soundtrack in the background. don’t overthink it

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[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 2 points 11 months ago*

Hear me out: that’s what I mean!

They are some of the silliest movies ever, but they cared so much how he became the character he became throughout the sequels.

So it’s funny that between 1 and 2 they’re just like “jeez I don’t know, grew monstrous somehow and no one saw him?”

The first one is the only time there’s any kind of continuity weirdness. I would argue the continuity is what makes the series as a whole fun to watch. From sequel to sequel they’ll keep the dents and cuts in his mask, they take some continuity strangely seriously.

Even when it gets downright stupid, like he gets tied underwater after part 7(?), they take it seriously how he gets out in part 8. The ghost killer guy. It’s amazing.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 4 points 11 months ago*

I argue that most sequels don’t retcon

Fr. I think I could make a shorter list of sequels that fit OP's description of retconning character progression than of movies that don't do that. And of all the ones that do, half of them are Spider-Man movies or not sequels, but reboots and re-makes.