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[–] turkalino@lemmy.yachts 21 points 3 years ago (7 children)

Magic Mouse: charging port on bottom

AirPods Max: can’t turn off without putting in case, can’t use wired, condensation death

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[–] hansl@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (3 children)

I’m ready for the downvotes but I still don’t understand the general hate for the Magic Mouse. Once every two weeks I let it charge for 30 minutes while I’m having a lunch break and never have to worry about it.

How many times do you happen to need to charge your mouse and use it at the same time?

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[+] N1cknamed@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[–] Spacecraft@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago

In the same boat as you. When I did use a Magic Mouse I’d just plug it in when I got up to go to the bathroom or get a drink, and not every time either. Never had the battery run out.

I stopped using it because the ergonomics don’t fit my hand very well.

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[–] TanakaAsuka@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 years ago

It is also ergonomically horrible, to the point where I prefer to use the magic track pad over the mouse.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

Wait, the power switch is on the case? That's so stupid.

That is the very definition of form over function.

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[–] Spacecraft@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago

No there is no power switch. It detects when it’s in the case and turns off. I think it turns off outside the case after a period of inactivity.

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[–] deeply_moving_queef@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago

Can’t be used wired out of the box but do support Lightning to 3.5mm jack. Source: owner of AirPods Max who’s had them replaced 4 times now due to faults.

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[–] wth@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 years ago

And the puck mouse.

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[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world -2 points 3 years ago (28 children)

Please - while connecting the cable to the bottom is less than ideal, it's still var better than swapping out batteries.

It's not like they need to be plugged in all day - if it dies on you, fill up your glass of water and you'll be fine. Also low battery warnings appear weeks before it goes flat.

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[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 8 points 3 years ago* (17 children)

Still dumb design, since my mouse I can use wired as it charges without interruption.

The fact that it even needs excuses like go fill up a glass of water as you wait shows why.

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[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 years ago* (16 children)

The fact that people would use it wired in 100% of the time is pretty much the reason of the bottom charge port. Apple doesn't want their products to look cluttered with unnessesary cables

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[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 6 points 3 years ago (4 children)

If they want to use it wired all the time then that's their choice, since then wireless must not be a strong selling point for them.

If any other mouse manufacturer came out with that bottom charge approach it'd be considered a dumb design.

Not to mention other wireless mouses have had docks or charging pads for years, so still a dumb design and all I hear are excuses for it.

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[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 3 years ago (3 children)

I agree 100% - it's a stupid design. Just want to give a reason why apple is shoving it down the throats of their deciples

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[–] NightOwl@lemmy.one 1 point 3 years ago (2 children)

Yeah, but even the charging process seems so inelegant and crude visually compared to like the magnetic apple pencil charging. It's surprising it's an Apple design, since magnetic charging or some dock or mouse pad to have an excuse to up charge the product seems more the Apple way. Like if it didn't have the Apple logo I would never have guess it was an Apple designed product, but a knock off.

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[–] Hoomod@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Logitech has their special mousepad that charges their (specific models) of wireless mice

I'm very surprised apple didn't make one, though I guess then there's a wire and they don't want any wires

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[–] Juvyn00b@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago

I have an idea! Wireless mouse pad! The charging port is on the bottom though...

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[–] coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

No, Apple didn’t want to design a charging cable specifically for the mouse. The charging cable is exactly the same as the ones for the trackpad, keyboard, iPad and iPhone. The cable would break to damn fast when used connected to a mouse.

It’s about parts supply management, not about the best mouse cable.

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[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

Even in that case there exists solutions, like making a deeper cutout for the port along with some attachment mechanism to lock cable movement, preventing the port from wearing out.

Or, they could have made the battery bigger.

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[–] coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago

It’s the cable itself. It’s one for everything. And it isn’t famous for being durable.

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[–] aport@programming.dev 4 points 3 years ago

Do they think their customers are so dumb they'd pay for a wireless mouse and use it exclusively wired?

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[+] bob_wiley@lemmy.world 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

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[–] Alto@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago (4 children)

I prefer to use my mouse wireless, but it sure would be a pain in the ass if I had to just completely stop using my computer when the battery died.

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[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (3 children)

It gets a multi day charge from a few minutes. Plug it in a go pee and it’ll have enough charge for the rest of the week.

It’s only your own fault of you ignore the multi week warnings that the battery is dying or you forget to plug it in to charge after your mini pee charge….

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[–] Alto@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

How much of a dickrider to you have to be to not understand that that's still incredibly stupid.

My mouse also gets ~5 days of (heavy) use from about 10 minutes of charging. Warnings or not, the fact that it's even a possibility is just shit design.

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[–] coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago

If peeing takes about 10 minutes you should see a doctor.

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[–] schmidtster@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago

How is explaining how something actually works dickriding…?

And what model of mouse is that? Don’t forget about the weeks of warnings too!!!

You’re just claiming something to try and prove a point, but fact of the matter is, there isn’t another mouse out there lmfao. It’s not shit design, people just want to hate it, simple as that and you’ve proven the point by outright lying lmfao.

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[–] keeb420@kbin.social 0 points 3 years ago

Well fuck them. If I want to use a cable I should be able to.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 3 years ago

I'm sorry but that's not the true. The battery is die all the sodding time.

When I worked in an office I used to switch the magic mouse off anytime I wasn't actually using it. Going to the toilet switch the mouse off, going to get a drink switch the mouse off, somebody comes over to talk to me and I don't need to use the computer switch the mouse off. All this just to extend the battery life.

I then replaced it with a generic Bluetooth mouse that uses one AA battery, and I've had it for over 2 years at this point and never needed to replace the AA battery. So either lithium ion has less storage capacity than a chemical battery or the magic mouse has a teeny tiny microscopic battery.

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[–] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 years ago (7 children)

I bought my mom a 0.01$ mouse on Aliexpress which:

come with a dongle
is also Bluetooth (dual mode)
works on battery
has a charging port on the front

The battery isn't an argument to put a port on the bottom.

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[–] coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (5 children)

• And has a free key logger.

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[–] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 years ago (3 children)

That's not the point. My point is just hardware conception.

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[–] coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Not your point, but is is one for Ali… I was just fooling around with your exaggerated example.

Different point is. It isn’t about the battery, it isn’t about the connector on the mouse. It is probably about the charging wire itself (my opinion). I think Apple deliberately choose for the standard charging wire they use for every other product they have (during the time of the launch of the mouse). It al comes down to parts supply management, where Apple is famous for. The choice is use what we have or design something new. They went for what the already got. A charging cable (and port) used for every device they shipped… a cable famous for being brittle, when connected to a device being physically in use.

Imagine this cable being used on a mouse while in use. This would be a bigger issue than a “shitty port location”. People are deliberately forced not to use the brittle cable.

… at the end of the day people who use this mouse seem not to have a problem with the charging choice made. People who don’t use the mouse seem to have more problems with this… and yes, it is a shitty mouse.

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[–] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

With all the engineers at Apple, the could easily design a mouse with a port on the front and which can be used wired and wireless.

I guess these engineers don't know how to dedig this when it's available on a cheap Chinese mouse.

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[–] coffeebiscuit@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago

I think there is a working prototype at Apple with a charging port in the front.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk -1 points 3 years ago

Not really the point is it

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[–] eddietrax@dmv.social -4 points 3 years ago

Interesting. Didn’t know bots had moms.

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[–] Wookie@artemis.camp 2 points 3 years ago*

Up until today I spent my days thirsty, unable to leave my desk because my mouse batteries won’t die! But now, I know to buy the Magic Mouse and now I can leave my desk and enjoy more freedom