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Twitter's new TikTok copycat is filled with animal cruelty videos. Elon calls content "Edgy" (www.nbcnews.com)
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[–] 13 points 3 years ago (77 children)

All social media is filled with animal cruelty.
There's so many pictures and videos of cut up animal corpses with people going "yum" in the comments..

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago (51 children)

    I don't get how I never see that on regular Twitter.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    The content moderation is more active I guess. People post stuff like that all the time on Facebook and Instagram too. Not sure if they have an algorithm or whatever to trigger removal but a good amount are still manually removed by workers, some who quit because of the psychological repercussions

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/25/18229714/cognizant-facebook-content-moderator-interviews-trauma-working-conditions-arizona

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

    Yeah, I did listen to a podcast about content moderators at Facebook having breakdowns from dealing with having to see that kind of shit day in, day out.

    Fuck. That. Noise.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (44 children)

    You've never seen any posts containing meat?

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago (23 children)

    You know, I really wish you were clearer in your OP so I wasn't dragged in to a vegans discussion

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (22 children)

    Oh no you had to think about what happens to the animals you eat for a few seconds!

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (19 children)

    Eating animals isn't the problem, necessarily. It's how the animals are grown and raised like crops is the problem. I have a weird stance on this that looks very contradicting. Humans are animals, and we are engineered to include meat in our diets. However, I don't agree with how the majority of us access that meat.

    I'm a strong believer in hunting for food, not sport. If you're going to eat an animal, you should work for it. And be thankful. Doesn't matter what beliefs you hold, you owe thanks to what the animal has provided you.

    Meat farms are disgusting. But there's no way they will ever go away. They're much too profitable for companies to give up.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago* (18 children)

    How do you humanely kill an animal who doesn't need or want to die?

    How does thanking someone after you needlessly kill them help anything?

    Why not just eat plants when we can easily thrive on a plant based diet?
    We aren't "engineered" at all, we're omnivores which means we can do just fine both with and without meat.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (17 children)

    You hunt it. Not as a sport. Give the animal a fair chance, and even then it's not a fair fight, so be thankful for what's been provided

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago* (16 children)

    Killing when we don't have to is cruel, doing it in the forest doesn't make it better, we can just eat plants.

    There's nothing fair about needless killing, nothing is provided to you, you're taking it be force.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago* (15 children)

    We are animals engineered to eat meat. It is natural for humans to do so. Killing an animal has nothing to do with morality. How and why it's done does

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (13 children)

    We are animals who happened to mutate to be able to thrive with and without meat, we're omnivores.

    If we are animals and killing animals has nothing to do with morality I can kill you with no consequences and without feeling bad yeah?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    You are trolling at this point. You simply can't compare killing for food to murder.

    We are predators by nature, and there is no way you can deny it. The human intelligence has helped us evolve better tools for both hunting and farming.

    We have mutated to be better hunters and predators, apart from being also better at not being one. But the first part will always remain.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (19 children)

    It's a too bad that you weren't more clear than your first post, people almost took you serious

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (17 children)

    Why wouldn't it be serious?

    Meat is cut up animal corpses.
    Humans can easily thrive without meat so it's clearly abusive to kill for profit/taste.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (14 children)

    With respect, this approach does nothing to convince people to reduce their meat consumption, and in fact alienates people who might otherwise be on the fence about reducing their meat intake.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago* (12 children)

    We get told this literally no matter how we approach the subject lol.
    Which approach is it you think I'm using here and why is it ineffective?
    It's not like I've been especially rude or anything?

    Which approach worked on you?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (11 children)

    You've been hostile ("reactionary fucks") and you've hijacked the broader discussion referenced in the article (Musk's Twitter showing terrible videos including human death, animal cruelty, etc) to make a point about meat consumption generally versus videos on Twitter showing the intentional and purposeful infliction of pain on animals for pleasure.

    My meat consumption is down quite a bit. Information on substitutes, good recipes, studies on the intelligence of (for example) squid and such have shifted me into eating less meat. While I'm sure you'd prefer people not eat meat at all, convincing 5 people to cut their meat consumption 50% is better than convincing 0 people to cut their meat consumption 100% , no?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago* (9 children)

    ("reactionary fucks")

    After my comments were downvoted to hell lol.

    I've not hijacked anything, I contributed to the conversation and everyone lost their minds because they don't wanna think about the animal abuse they support every day.

    convincing 5 people to cut their meat consumption 50% is better than convincing 0 people to cut their meat consumption 100% , no?

    Would you feel the same about abolishing slavery?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    Would I prefer that 5 people free half of their slaves versus no one freeing any slaves? Of course, why would I want everyone to stay enslaved if I could free some and continue to work to free others? Would you prefer that everyone who is currently a slave remain enslaved until we convince the entire world to free their slaves?

    I think they more prefer to focus on the issue (the state of Twitter) in a post about Twitter, versus going off on tangents that would otherwise make for interesting conversation.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    The "reactionary fucks" was in response to hostility. Hijacking broader topic? I'm sure you're on reddit complaining about John Oliver taking over the broader topic that is generally on r/pics. I'll let you ruminate on that until you see the obvious point.

    I'm sure in history some abolitionists wanted to get rid of slavery all together, but just minimizing the number of slaves is better than nothing right so they shouldn't have been so absolutist. At least according to your own argument unless you admit to being hypocritical or simply not understanding the argument of those you're responding to. You can't be neither though.

    You're putting forth either bad faith arguments or extremely toxic ones, under the guise of polite society. It's kind of sickening if you aren't actually intentionally doing it.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    This is kind of funny, cause it's the same approach the toxic right takes against progressives. "Be nice to us cause pointing out the things you do makes us get angry instead and won't convince us." It'd be ridiculously hilarious if it weren't so sad at the same time. This is the most subtly toxic response you could have had.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (12 children)

    Yes there's no difference between a picture of a steak and fries on a plate, and a kitten being tortured then burned alive. Absolutely the same thing.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    Not to vegans, they're clinically insane.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago

    Whoa - I’ve been reading this discussion and I went to look at what community it federated from, and I was really surprised to find it was Beehaw. I think this discussion has gotten very heated on both sides (which I understand, I’m vegan myself), but name calling doesn’t move the conversation forward. I notice you’re coming from kbin.social too - this is just a gentle reminder from a fellow kbin visitor to keep Beehaw’s community guidelines in mind as you’re visiting, and participate in debate with respect. I love the content and community here, and I would hate for our instance to be defederated from Beehaw because we’re not practicing awareness of the community we’re participating in and their guidelines.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

    Why is it better to kill a cow for profit/taste?

    Both scenarios are needless killing of animals which is obviously terrible abuse.

    Is caring about animal abuse insane?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    Whoa - I’ve been reading this discussion and I went to look at what community it federated from, and I was really surprised to find it was Beehaw. I’m sorry you are encountering this here, but I notice that it’s largely not Beehaw users who are continuing interactions that do not meaningfully engage in this conversation. I think this discussion has gotten very heated on both sides (which I understand, I’m vegan myself). I notice you’re coming from kbin.social too - this is just a gentle reminder from a fellow kbin visitor to keep Beehaw’s community guidelines in mind as you’re visiting, and participate in debate with respect. Although you make awesome points, they aren’t being heard right now, except by folks in Beehaw, since they have community guidelines that promote this type of discussion in a respectful manner. It may be better to call this off and restart the conversation in our instance, or choose to respond only to folks who are practicing respectful debate.

    Please don’t take the downvotes seriously, especially in Beehaw. Beehaw has downvotes disabled, so what we’re effectively having here is a kbin conversation following kbin rules in Beehaw. If you want to engage with folks who are downvoting you, I think it’s best to do that in our instance or elsewhere to be respectful of Beehaw’s guidelines.

    I love the content and community here, and I would hate for our instance to be defederated from Beehaw because we’re not practicing awareness of the community we’re participating in.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    They're both clearly abuse, the steak used to be a living being who was tortured and killed for profit/taste.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    Folks, there is important, valid discussion to be had about meat eating both from ethical an environmental perspectives. I'm not sure that !Technology is the place to have that discussion, however.

    More importantly, this thread was not the way to discuss these issues, particularly on Beehaw. The behavior in this thread was not nice, and is not the way that these types (or any type) of discussion should be conducted.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    I just made a comment about animal cruelty on social media, in a thread about animal cruelty on social media.

    Sadly speaking up for the animals provokes angry responses in many people.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    I'm not saying that you are solely at fault for the thread getting out of hand, but I hope we can agree that when things devolve to the point that we're talking about murdering other users and eating their corpses that the discussion has probably gotten out of hand.

    I think there are ways of discussing even controversial topics without the conversation spinning out of control, but I know that this topic in particular touches a nerve with a lot of folks. Just please try to be mindful of whether you're escalating or deescalating the argument in the future.

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